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    Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef Feb 11

    Who is the most well-calibrated expert (or public figure) you know of? "Well-calibrated" = expresses varying degrees of confidence in their claims, but when they express high confidence they're rarely wrong

    1:37 PM - 11 Feb 2019
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      2. Alex Tabarrok‏ @ATabarrok Feb 11
        Replying to @juliagalef

        .@bryan_caplan and he has the bets to prove it!

        3 replies 3 retweets 55 likes
      3. Harry Heymann‏ @harryh Feb 11
        Replying to @ATabarrok @juliagalef @bryan_caplan

        I used to think this, but have come to believe that Bryan's betting is overrated. His only strategy is to wait for people to make predictions far outside the norm and then shame-bet them. He basically never takes a financial stand on less certain outcomes.

        8 replies 2 retweets 23 likes
      4. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef Feb 11
        Replying to @harryh @ATabarrok @bryan_caplan

        Yeah, I don't think the domain in which he wins bets generalizes that strongly

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      5. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef Feb 11
        Replying to @juliagalef @harryh and

        (I figure Bryan probably agrees with this, but I'd be curious to hear why not, if I'm wrong)

        1 reply 1 retweet 11 likes
      6. Bryan Caplan‏ @bryan_caplan Feb 12
        Replying to @juliagalef @harryh @ATabarrok

        Since I'm open to bets on anything with anyone, I think it does generalize pretty strongly.https://www.econlib.org/archives/2017/06/what_a_bet_show.html …

        3 replies 2 retweets 6 likes
      7. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef Feb 12
        Replying to @bryan_caplan @harryh @ATabarrok

        Julia Galef Retweeted Julia Galef

        I was very unclear, above - this is what I meant by the "domain" you win bets in, does this seem wrong?https://twitter.com/juliagalef/status/1095341886879948805 …

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        Julia GalefVerified account @juliagalef
        Replying to @pumkinbaer @harryh and 2 others
        This seems like a straw man. What I'd say about @bryan_caplan's bets is they show an ability to spot other people's unwarranted deviations from base rates. Which is valuable! It just doesn't say much about his ability to spot times when a deviation from base rates *is* warranted.
        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. Bryan Caplan‏ @bryan_caplan Feb 12
        Replying to @juliagalef @harryh @ATabarrok

        Roughly correct, then.https://www.econlib.org/archives/2016/05/why_i_win.html …

        1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
      9. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef Feb 12
        Replying to @bryan_caplan @harryh @ATabarrok

        Reading my phrasing again ("Yeah, I don't think the domain in which he wins bets generalizes that strongly") I'd revise it somewhat. The domain of "identifying overconfident deviations from base rates" is actually quite significant, which I don't think my wording made clear.

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      2. Hi, I'm Steve.‏ @StevieMac26 Feb 11
        Replying to @juliagalef

        This question is a bit like 'who do you agree with?'

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef Feb 11
        Replying to @StevieMac26

        Well, hopefully meeting the "rarely wrong" standard doesn't just mean "says things I agree with"! I'd count things like - makes predictions that come true - expresses skepticism about things that later turn out to be false - makes arguments that aren't credibly rebutted

        2 replies 1 retweet 32 likes
      4. Hi, I'm Steve.‏ @StevieMac26 Feb 11
        Replying to @juliagalef

        I acknowledge somebody could answer your question and be correct. But people will certainly disagree about whether their fav intellectual's arguments have been rebutted & I suspect there will be more room for argument in the others than you might think. so in practice...

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef Feb 11
        Replying to @StevieMac26

        Oh definitely, the answers will still be significantly subjective

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      6. Hi, I'm Steve.‏ @StevieMac26 Feb 11
        Replying to @juliagalef

        👍 It'll be interesting to read them

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Dan Gardner‏ @dgardner Feb 11
        Replying to @juliagalef @briandavidearp

        I'd say @RobertJShiller. But that's just a guess, as are almost all the others offered, because calibration of judgment is almost never properly tested, no matter how important that judgment is. (Honourable exception: @bryan_caplan) @PTetlock

        3 replies 1 retweet 15 likes
      3. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef Feb 11
        Replying to @dgardner @briandavidearp and

        Yes, indeed. I figured people would use rough heuristics like - Have they made predictions/bets (w/high qualitative confidence) that came true - Have they expressed skepticism about things that turned out to be false/exaggerated - Have people noted major flaws in their arguments

        0 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
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      2. visakan veerasamy‏ @visakanv Feb 11
        Replying to @juliagalef

        well, different experts are well-calibrated to different degrees in different contexts... if you put a gun to my head I'd probably go with my ex-boss @dineshraju as someone I would trust to be careful with his claims

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. visakan veerasamy‏ @visakanv Feb 11
        Replying to @visakanv @juliagalef @dineshraju

        and... should well-calibrated really mean "rarely wrong when expressing high confidence"? 🤔 this can be gamed by minimizing utterances. I'm reminded of this Bezos quote – "in business, when you step up to the plate, you can score 1,000 runs" – this is good calibration IMOpic.twitter.com/4PGO3zeXbG

        4 replies 5 retweets 24 likes
      4. Julia Galef‏Verified account @juliagalef Feb 11
        Replying to @visakanv @dineshraju

        This is an aspect of "accuracy" that isn't captured by "well-calibrated", yeah But presumably someone who rarely makes any bets or claims at all won't be an expert / public figure

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
      5. visakan veerasamy‏ @visakanv Feb 11
        Replying to @juliagalef @dineshraju

        true

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      6. Dinesh Raju‏ @dineshraju Feb 11
        Replying to @visakanv @juliagalef

        IMHO well-calibrated people seek out domains where their claims, when correct, can have outsized impact. Being right in such domains inevitably depends on many uncontrollable factors. So I'd look for successful folks in domains where you're usually wrong even when well-calibrated

        1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
      7. Dinesh Raju‏ @dineshraju Feb 11
        Replying to @dineshraju @visakanv @juliagalef

        Also I think outsized business success involves some path dependence. So instead of founders, I'd look for successful investors who've had many swings at bat & are dedicated to searching for the truth to make better investment decisions. Charlie Munger and @RayDalio come to mind

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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