If this isn't one of the most effectively trans-supportive statements I don't know what is. "Ze" and "zir", he and her, us and them, lend your ears, really listen to this man.
You shouldn't be "proud" of your culture: you should be honored by the privilege of partaking in it, and grateful for its existence, despite your inadequacy. That is not at all the same thing.https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/935377804136349696 …
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how is this a trans-supportive statement?
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My takewaway here is that
@jordanbpeterson, despite confronting the trans "ideology," would applaud any trans person who was humbled by the privilege of being trans, who was gracious about not enforcing every cultural claim a trans person could as a right. That is true support.
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If our great-grandparents built a good culture specifically so their future descendants could feel proud of it, we'd be weirdly ungrateful not to feel pride in their legacy.
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I think JPB is referencing group membership "pride" that is pathologically transduced into individual self-esteem without any change in the underlying self-efficacy. Specifically, collective self picks up the slack, when relational self fails to generate authentic self-esteem.
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Maybe. Or maybe he's just positing a hyper individualistic concept of 'legitimate pride' that had little relation to the lived, transgenerational psychology of pride rooted in family and tradition.
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I think pride in the past can cause people to behave better because it can cause them to try to live up to ideals exemplified by the best of those who came before them. It depends on what and who of the past people choose to or are taught to take pride in.
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And when do we draw a line of applicability between such vastly different societal realities. All forms of culture should be viewed as open systems as they are products of specific immediate environments with varying influences. It's like saying I take pride in the universe.
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bullshit
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Culture should be honoured to have the privilege of having created me
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I disagree with both, i just take it for granted
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Jordan's inner Marxist has jumped the shark Next Zog's gatekeeper will be telling us all whites need to die while he recites Mao's and Stalin's cake recipes - never be proud of your heritage - you are inadequate After all, Golem's must protect their power base
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it's almost like he's trying to pathologize pride in opposition to the natural order of things hmm smdhpic.twitter.com/lmZ2djBGzD
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Mr. Peterson, no coincidence that a particular collective always produces western civilisation. It is the pride of being the torch bearers in this generation that instills a sense of duty to keep it alive for our descendents. Don't take that pride away. Or the west goes with it.
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What are these "accomplishments" and things people "do" that allow one to be proud of their culture or race? What's the bar? Working hard? Raising a family? Being a YouTube intellectual with no original ideas?
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I think at the macro level if your culture is good and worthy of respect, then that is something one can be proud of. Micro level, you can also be proud of your participation in said culture. Both can be true
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No. I don't want to just do that. I always want to make sure it survives. And Western "Culture" can not thrive without Western people.
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Beautifully said Jordan. I have always envied the Greek Golden age. It angers me how a small nation without the privilege we are spoilt with today was able to accomplish something unmatched till this day. We are sleep walking into conformity.
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Betcha the Greeks were proud of being Greek in their Golden Age.
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I don't think they thought of the success came on the back of being nationalistic rather a philosophy of how life should be lived which was to my understanding a never ending journey of learning and upholding truth. When the nationalism came along "Alexander the great" =decline
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The success came from their pride in and love of their heritage and their language, their nation, their people and their quest for further greatness and understanding through learning, debating, discussion, reasoning, art.
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I agree to an extent. But I think Mr Peterson is saying to be careful of the extreme ideology.
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We are heading to extremes whether you want to or not. How did Rome come apart anyways? Mass migration, diluting what it meant to be Roman? Our western societies are coming apart and people will demand order, sound familiar?
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