Jordan B PetersonVerified account

By definition it's not appropriation if it already belongs to you and the idea that being proud of, and wanting to preserve, that which was bequeathed to you—at great cost—is intrinsically wrong is haughty nonsense you wouldn't dare extend to anyone else but white people.

What's the alternative, to not be proud of it? As a psychologist, would you regard it as healthy for a child to be isolated from their parents, their grandparents? It's the same concept. Culture is the Radix—the root of—the nation, which is family extended In Excelsis.

Culture is not something to be "transformed" on a whim, this is antithetical to the very definition of the word Culture, and certainly to the notion of Tradition—Which is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of the fire.

Your notion of radical individualism, is nothing short of the subjugation of a person to their sum circumstances and performance—shackling them in time as atomised, interchangeable economic units divorced from nature, blood and great aeons of time.

Individualism is not an inherently bad thing in and of itself, provided always that remains within the context of the greater whole. Otherwise, it's incomplete. The whole purpose of identification with the Son, is to come to know the Father.

To be proud of something you didn't support, extend, or transform is to engage in naked tribalism and identity politics. Just as SJWs mistake the correlation between whites, Western Civ and success as "white supremacy," so too do white identitarians.

Is there any other kind of politics other than identity politics? Even "individualism" is an identity around which people coalesce and aggravate in tandem with for shared values.

Anyone who genuinely thinks that putting your own kind first, or being proud of their achievements, is an inherent wrong is at best an idiot or worse a liar for they do not extend this radical individualism to their own family.

This must be something clever I'm not getting. I'm a retired soldier and know that patriotism is a necessary kick-starter to new troops, even before they enlist. You're nurtured on your ancestors contributions until you can make your own.

"patriotism is necessary so our soldiers can kill easier, without thinking of the consequences, because they have an easy justification that they can default to"

Who are you quoting? It's not love of country that makes it easier, it's dehumanizing your enemy by labeling them as something negative like Nazi, commie, sexist, etc. Groups that embrace identity politics like Antifa, BLM, Feminism, and the Alt-right do this quite effectively.

Add the GOP, and all of its top figures (minus maybe Rand Paul). Remove feminism, because it is against identity politics, altho I'll give there are some idpol factions. Antifa is definitely not idpol, they are anarcho-communist. Labeling isn't bad, if done correctly. /1

Feminism is against identity politics? That's what they are.

Honestly, I'd recommand picking up a book on feminism. Hell, even the Wikipedia article does a half decent job at it. Don't forget, people on the internet that get their money from telling you feminism is the worst might not be the most reliable source of information...

I get my impression of feminism from the actions of modern day feminists. It's identity politics.

I get my impression of conservatism from the actions of modern day conservatives. It's white nationalism. *the sarcasm is obvious, i hope you see my real point* *also, while you are at it, name some feminists*

Are kids allowed to be proud of their culture if they haven't yet supported, extended, or transformed it? Or is there some age minimum for pride?

Kids play at mummies and daddies and shopkeepers and what have you long before they're capable of being these things...

You think kids can't feel real social emotions like pride?

I'm sure they can and do, but they can also have opinions too. How far into the world does the value of such pride or opinion extend?

The subjective lives of kids are just as important as those of adults. Genuine, merited pride is an intrinsic good whoever experiences it. It doesn't need to extend into the world.

I missed spotting the obvious response - important to whom?

Important to them, just as all sentient experience is important to the sentience experiencing it.