The no-platforming that's happening in the payments system re: speech is coming after the exercise of other lawful, constitutionally protected freedoms. What @andrewrsorkin is calling for is stunningly illiberal, and even the increasingly squishy @ACLU balks at it.
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He straight up wants to treat gun owners and guy buyers like terrorists. It's right there in the article. He is advocating that the financial system turn its post-9/11 anti-terror infrastructure on lawful gun owners.pic.twitter.com/dNtQXT7OpF
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To be clear, Vegas excepted (it's always the exception), most mass shooters use one or two guns because that's all you need. Are we going to cast the net that wide, where everyone who buys one or two guns gets LEO scrutiny? You may like that idea, but that is a big haystack.
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I'm reminded of that article by that reporter from FL who was SHOCKED to learn that, by complying with all laws and not looking or acting suspiciously, he could fly with a firearm and not get arrested or shut down the airport. He was dyin for some police state intervention.
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I know this is not a thing you're supposed to point out, & I don't typically do it b/c 90% of the time it's a red herring, but active shooter incidents are /rare/. We can't burn down what's left of our civil liberties to stop a thing that causes way fewer deaths than bicycles.
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Per the FBI there were 220 people killed in active shooter incidents in 2016-2017. There are 700 to 800 bike accident deaths /a year/. I'm not saying the two are the same, but for God's sake are we really going to further illiberalize our financial system for this?
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The banks' attempt at moral leadership on guns might be less risible if they weren't laundering for drug cartels (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs …), stealing from customers (https://boingboing.net/2018/04/20/2-trillion-in-assets.html …), & generally flouting the law and getting people killed (https://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2014/06/12/more-than-10000-suicides-tied-to-economic-crisis-study-says/#66e5007e7ae2 …) at scale
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If the banks are so concerned about saving lives lost to American weapons, why don't we take a close look at the way the financial system enables & profits from our wars in the Middle East. Dianne Feinstein's husband, for instance, is a war profiteer.https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/War-brings-business-to-Feinstein-spouse-Blum-s-2652085.php …
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So why don't we look into the way banks & hedge funds finance the murder of civilians on foreign soil, b/c that body count dwarfs the domestic active shooter body count by orders of magnitude. Not only do Sorkin types not care, they're fighting to preserve a bloody status quo!
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So he wants to boot the entire lawful gun retail sector off the credit system b/c credit cards were used in 8 shootings in the past 10 years and 217 ppl died. This guy...https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewrsorkin/status/1077214184398573569 …
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This is totally insane. If you wanted to save 217 lives over 10 years you can do it without weaponizing the financial system against an entire category of commerce you don’t like.
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Leaving aside the mass surveillance dealbreakers,
@andrewrsorkin is smart enough that I’m disappointed he didn’t say that base rate fallacy renders the debate moot — it's technologically impossible to build. Do the math and the odds that a flag is a false positive are >99.999%. -
I'd like to actually see those odds. Would make for an interesting article.
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He never even provided any evidence in the piece that on-credit purchases were *necessary* for the named shooters to do what they did.https://twitter.com/analyticascent/status/1077285770447089667 …
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Did you know Sorkin was 'hired' by the NYT while in college because he was so smart? No not really, it was because his dad was a well connected lawyer at Cahill Gordon & Reindel with mega-connections in the NYC financial world.
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Having to pay for firearms in cash only? *laughs in disparate impact*
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Well, there's always Bitcoin...
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1/ The
#AntiGun crowd always believe the stick will "solve" the problem. The problem is that those that would commit crimes with firearms generally don't care what is legal and what is not; only the law-abiding firearm owner cares. The stick only becomes effective when -
2/ it is so big that it affects both criminals and law-abiding citizens alike. We should be advocating for the carrot to give legal firearms owners a quick and free method of determining if a buyer is a "proper person". Legal firearms owners don't want firearms in the hands
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3/ of criminals any more than anyone else does. The real issue is that it is inconvenient to go to a FFL to have a 4473 done and the vast majority of FFLs won't do it for free. Combine that with the legitimate worry of some firearms owners of providing the government with more
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4/ information on what and how many firearms they own, and it's pretty obvious why more 4473s don't get done. Let's create an online and free "background check" for private sales wherein the buyer puts in his information (BTW, let's forget the useless info on race and ethnic
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5/ origin that are required on the current 4473) and gets a code that can then be given to the seller or perhaps an automatic email is sent to verify he/she is a "proper person". No information on the type or number of firearms to be transferred should (or needs) to be collected.
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6/ This "background check" would be based on PUBLIC information and could/should be expanded for all Americans to use as a background check for any number of other purposes. Criminal convictions are SUPPOSED to be public record, let's actually make those records public in a
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7/ convenient and free way so that the law-abiding (and reformed criminal) can make good use of that data. Pretty much all of the current "common sense"
#GunControl proposals seek to punish the law-abiding as much as the criminal.
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