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    Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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    What happens when you install the Edge (Chromium) Beta build and run it for the first time? I was curious. On first-run, Edge fired off 130+ requests to nearly 50 endpoints. Here they are, sorted by total calls. Time to take a closer look.pic.twitter.com/kIVaKIUNbJ

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      2. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        Here are all of the sessions for the 4 minutes or so I let the browser run. I see numerous connections to MSFT properties, but connections to non-MSFT properties too: Google APIs, Google, Double Click, Google Ad Services, Facebook, Twitter Ads, and more.pic.twitter.com/aFvnxD9Mig

        5 proslijeđenih tweetova 34 korisnika označavaju da im se sviđa
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      3. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        I should note, right from the start, that Edge knows more about me than any other browser can during the first-run experience. It gets this insight from Windows. As such, I'll pay closer attention to what it shares, and with whom.pic.twitter.com/JxKxrzvegD

        8 proslijeđenih tweetova 44 korisnika označavaju da im se sviđa
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      4. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        The first call we'll explore is the requst to http://speech.platform.bing.com . This request `trustedclienttoken`; a distinct key to represent my device. The server responds with numerous synthetic voice options. I assume this is for #a11y during setup? Can't Windows already handle this?pic.twitter.com/uozen93xly

        1 proslijeđeni tweet 22 korisnika označavaju da im se sviđa
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      5. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        The second request goes straight to http://clients2.google.com . I suspected we would wind up talking to Google in this process, but didn't think it'd be this early. pkedcj… is Chrome Media Router, required to support Chrome Cast. We get XML (instead of CRX) with another URL to try.pic.twitter.com/pIqsNwddBb

        0 proslijeđenih tweetova 15 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      6. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        Next we make a trip to http://ntp.msn.com . I assume NTP means New Tab Page. Some locale data is sent along, and we get 62K of markup back. I don't immediately see this in Edge, but it may show up in later launches.pic.twitter.com/plPVL1N4OO

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      7. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        Skype comes up in the next call. We appear to be picking up some type of configuration data. That I am a first-run user is sent over, and JSON comes back. The response has per-domain rules for DRM purposes. It also has rules to spoof user-agent strings on specific sites.pic.twitter.com/ZvcQRhNeMe

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      8. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        The next request is to http://go.microsoft.com , which only responds with a location header, telling Edge to look for the data elsewhere. As such, we'll see this request surface momentarily.pic.twitter.com/205uPwz6aM

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      9. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        At this point, SmartScreen kicks in to review some domains we're about to visit. It gives the all clear, and we proceed! Next up, we make our first connection to the windows domain.pic.twitter.com/vZrhdKtbqJ

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      10. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        The next entry is to http://windows.com . Very little data is transferred, but for some users, I suspect this would be different. This retrieves information from Windows' Activity History. You can read more about it here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4468227/windows-10-activity-history-and-your-privacy-microsoft-privacy …pic.twitter.com/UzOeXMrvZ8

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      11. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        The next connection should look familiar, if you have read through my previous browser threads. The http://clients2.google.com  call from earlier told us to go to http://redirector.gvt1.com  to download an extension CRX from Google. Redirector.* sends us to one of Google's cryptic URLs.pic.twitter.com/KsFErZbaeV

        1 reply 0 proslijeđenih tweetova 12 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      12. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        I should point out that both http://redirector.gvt1.com  and the URL to which it points (r2---sn.*) are both loaded over HTTP (not HTTPS). I don't know if Edge performs hash comparisons on the resulting CRX, or if this could be leveraged to send a malicious extension to new users.pic.twitter.com/IMGeeEbuNl

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      13. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        A bunch of resources are then loaded from http://akamaized.net . Akamai is responsible for serving the NTP to new Edge (Chromium) users. Due to it being hosted on the Web, you can visit Edge's start page directly: https://ntp.msn.com/compass/antp?locale=en-US&dsp=1&sp=Bing&fre=1&startpage=1 ….

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      14. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        Edge then makes another call to http://activity.windows.com . This time, it includes my email address used to log into Windows 10. I can see a reference to Nigori in the data (I assume this is Sync-related data).

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      15. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        Next up is a call, and a redirect, to http://microsoftedgeinsider.com . This is the page that Edge loads in a 2nd tab. This page was also responsible for loading CSS, Fonts, and other common files, as is to be expected.pic.twitter.com/y8qwQagEYt

        0 proslijeđenih tweetova 13 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      16. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        The http://ntp.msn.com  page issues a request to http://scorecardresearch.com ; a familiar domain for anybody in the content-blocking space. This request results in a redirect, which itself ends with an HTTP 204 No Content.pic.twitter.com/PMbAPwQkGw

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      17. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        The http://microsoftedgeinsider.com  site calls out to https://platform.twitter.com , which redirects to http://static.ads-twitter.com . Google Tag Manager is also loaded. Hello, Twitter. Hello, Google. http://mem.gfx.ms  is also called, which serves performance and event tracking logic (AFAICT).pic.twitter.com/4c6vEpmBiX

        0 proslijeđenih tweetova 13 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      18. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        At this point, we start to see big moves toward data collection and tracking/ads. Scripts are loaded from Facebook, Reddit, Google, and more. All originate from the default tabs during the first-run. Example: pageLoad event and device info is sent to bing.pic.twitter.com/772g6agLFn

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      19. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        This Insider tab also sends data about my device and such to the Double Click servers (Google). There are numerous redirects when Edge calls out to http://px.ads.linkedin.com . All of them set cookies. The last one looks like it assigned a universal ID.pic.twitter.com/xmzqWO3Y75

        1 reply 0 proslijeđenih tweetova 11 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      20. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        To be quite honest, this review is rather exhausting. There are many third-party hosts; many of which technically belong to Microsoft, blurring the lines between what is first-party, and what is third-party.

        1 reply 0 proslijeđenih tweetova 19 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      21. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        The following Request/Response is to http://dc.services.visualstudio.com . I was going to highlight interesting values, but so much here is interesting that I decided to share as-is. Duration information, URLs, a session and user ID, DOM processing time, and more. These insights are granular.pic.twitter.com/emLLNnlQYr

        1 proslijeđeni tweet 14 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      22. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        Next, if you can believe it, is the Chrome Media Router we saw at the beginning of this thread. We already downloaded this one, but it appears we will be doing so again. First time had a "X-Goog-Update-Interactivity: fg" header. Now it's a "bg" value.pic.twitter.com/olWonTbU6V

        1 reply 0 proslijeđenih tweetova 10 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      23. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        The last thing that caught my attention were these invalid requests at the very end of the session list. I added time codes to see if there was a fixed interval between the calls. I have no idea what's going on here. Could be a bug in Edge Chromium.pic.twitter.com/YDOoF5zK2s

        0 proslijeđenih tweetova 11 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      24. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        Last observation is that numerous processes are in play. Process 2700 handled the general web contents. Process 18592 interacted exclusively with Smart Screen.

        1 reply 0 proslijeđenih tweetova 10 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      25. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 26. kol 2019.
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        Sampson je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceSampson

        If you enjoyed this 'What Happens' thread, be sure to check out the others on Chrome, Firefox, Brave, Opera, Dissenter, and Vivaldi.https://twitter.com/jonathansampson/status/1166005813548396549 …

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        Odgovor korisnicima @stshank @opera
        What happens when you open a new install of the following browsers for the 1st time: Opera https://twitter.com/jonathansampson/status/1165353213308129281 … Vivaldi https://twitter.com/jonathansampson/status/1165358155922059266 … Dissenter https://twitter.com/jonathansampson/status/1165377063932637184 … Brave https://twitter.com/jonathansampson/status/1165391211999518720 … Chrome https://twitter.com/jonathansampson/status/1165493206441779200 … Firefox https://twitter.com/jonathansampson/status/1165858896176660480 …
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      26. Sampson‏ @jonathansampson 29. kol 2019.
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        Sampson je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceKyle Pflug

        Friends on the Edge team are making changes to their Insider tab (which is loaded on a first-run of Edge Chromium) to reduce 3rd party calls. Bravo!https://twitter.com/kylealden/status/1167109843062099969 …

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        Odgovor korisnicima @kylealden @jonathansampson
        Update: We're not done looking at this, but we've made some initial updates that should dramatically reduce the third party scripts loaded with the microsoftedgeinsider tab (and thus on first run in general).
        9 proslijeđenih tweetova 21 korisnik označava da mu se sviđa
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