Obama's speech in Johannesburg is an excellent articulation of the liberal vision. Give it a read:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/world/africa/obama-speech-south-africa-transcript.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytpolitics …
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...your intense concern for victimized conservative white dudes is really truly remarkable, especially in the modern era, given what we're seeing. Way to focus on the truly important stuff.
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I could be wrong but I don’t think it’s about victimizing white dudes. I think it’s an example of people acting undemocratic by silencing or chastising those who we believe disagree with us. Even if it’s “deserved” or unintentional, it undermines democracy, dialogue & diplomacy
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Chait sees people being criticized for their voluntarily taken positions as worse than those positions themselves. He believes, apparently, that only those who speak first are entitled to speak freely; everybody else owes silence. Except him of course.
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Spot on. Assuming white men are unjustly silenced also assumes PoC/ women lack the ability and agency to identify and properly respond to bullshit. Also assumes white men aren't often completely full of shit. Obama doing the mixed kid dance of trying to be acceptable to all.
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I don't know any progressives who argue that white, cisgendered men "lack standing to speak on certain matters." Progressives -- correctly! -- that white, cisgendered men "speak on certain matters" ... as white, cisgendered men! Not as mythical 'objective' observers.
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White, cisgendered men may still have insights. But when it comes to the lives of women, people of color, and LGBTs, white, cisgendered men cannot speak with -- and should not drown out -- the authority of *lived experience*.
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People's issue comes from *only* having white people speak on racial issues. Or *only* men speaking on women's issues. Or *only* cisgender people speaking on transgender issues.
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I wish this were the case, and it *is* the case for still probably *most* of the left. But, alas, the minority on the left who have fallen for "identity determines all" sort of thinking provide a giant, legitimate target that the right has leveraged to great effect.
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No, people just get frustrated when they continue to see cisgender people writing bigoted ideas about transgender people in every publication, while these publications don't have a single transgender person anywhere on their staff. That gets really tiring.
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People start hiring people from marginalized communities to learn about those communities?
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Here's a better point: You're not smart enough to have a platform this large.
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That he's a white man is totally unrelated to this point. According to him. Now be quiet, minorities, there's a white guy telling you about yourselves!
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Is anybody really arguing that white men have no authority to speak on certain matters. I have literally never been told that by anyone ever. Sometimes I have been told that I should listen more and talk less. But never that my opinions don't matter because I am a white man.
ধন্যবাদ। আপনার সময়রেখাকে আরো ভালো করে তুলতে টুইটার এটিকে ব্যবহার করবে। পূর্বাবস্থায়পূর্বাবস্থায়
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I'd say that's a mischaracterization of the view most progressives have when it comes to white/male privilege. My job as someone that passes as a white male is to listen first and amplify the less heard voices.
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Your job as a human being is to listen without prejudice and amplify the voices that have the most merit.
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And the voices with the most merit on equity issues are generally those with experience of being othered, not those from a position of relative privilege.
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Look I'm a middle aged white male who loves Obama and he is just wrong here. Trump's followers are immune to persuasion. They will latch on to the flimsiest reed of an argument to maintain their support. Tribal identity and fear are their only motivating forces.
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USA has had White supremacist tribal factions for 242 yrs( N America 4 much longer). Slow as it may seem, classical liberalism & democracies hv advanced social evolution faster than any other human ideologies. The Free exchg of ideas is fundamental 2 this.
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well, wasn't he overstating it? They do lack some/most standing to speak on certain matters, not all standing
ধন্যবাদ। আপনার সময়রেখাকে আরো ভালো করে তুলতে টুইটার এটিকে ব্যবহার করবে। পূর্বাবস্থায়পূর্বাবস্থায়
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লোড হতে বেশ কিছুক্ষণ সময় নিচ্ছে।
টুইটার তার ক্ষমতার বাইরে চলে গেছে বা কোনো সাময়িক সমস্যার সম্মুখীন হয়েছে আবার চেষ্টা করুন বা আরও তথ্যের জন্য টুইটারের স্থিতি দেখুন।