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    Jonas K. Lindeløv‏ @jonaslindeloev Jun 28

    25 out of 28 introductory psychology books define or explain statistical significance wrong 😱 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2515245919858072 …. I formatted and re-arranged their data to show which books commit the most frequent mistakes. Raw data: https://osf.io/cnd2v/ pic.twitter.com/Zw9st5oJGH

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      2. Jonas K. Lindeløv‏ @jonaslindeloev Jun 28

        The authors provide teaching materials with a very nice illustration of what statistical significance is: https://osf.io/qg9t2/ . It is a procedure to control errors if you were to do the same exp + analysis many times, assuming each time that H0 is true no matter prior data.pic.twitter.com/aoCnpqMUn3

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      3. Jonas K. Lindeløv‏ @jonaslindeloev Jun 28

        Jonas K. Lindeløv Retweeted Jonas K. Lindeløv

        P-values and statistical significance is from the frequentist tradition. This is what it's like to be a frequentist:https://twitter.com/jonaslindeloev/status/1143937661889077248 …

        Jonas K. Lindeløv added,

        Jonas K. Lindeløv @jonaslindeloev
        Not accurate. The frequentist would decide in advance how many bags to observe, then make a very strong statement "yes!" or "no!", and then go on to repeat this behavior at various baggage claims ad infinitum, assured that his "yes!"es are wrong only 5% of the time. https://twitter.com/SimonDeDeo/status/1143669779498225664 …
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      4. Jonas K. Lindeløv‏ @jonaslindeloev Jun 28

        What if we tallied the number of statistical fallacies committed in intro-sections in scientific articles?pic.twitter.com/eFmuKsKsiy

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      5. Jonas K. Lindeløv‏ @jonaslindeloev Jun 28

        Personally, I find that Bayesian inference + focus on parameter estimation (rather than binary model comparison) is a better way to go. It is harder (and not without it's own fallacies), but there seem to be no easy fixes.

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      2. J.P. de Ruiter‏ @JPdeRuiter Jun 28
        Replying to @jonaslindeloev

        Isn't what you call the "inverse-probability error" fallacy the same as the "validity" fallacy? Also, I don't understand why you call the latter "validity".

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      3. J.P. de Ruiter‏ @JPdeRuiter Jun 28
        Replying to @JPdeRuiter @jonaslindeloev

        Sorry, thought that you were a co-author. s/you/they.

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      4. Jonas K. Lindeløv‏ @jonaslindeloev Jun 29
        Replying to @JPdeRuiter

        Yeah, I was a bit confused about the naming of the fallacies as well. They had them from another paper, so the blame goes way back, it seems :-)

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      5. J.P. de Ruiter‏ @JPdeRuiter Jun 29
        Replying to @jonaslindeloev

        Maybe they were victims of the fallacy that P(A) + P(not A) ≠ 1? 😁

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      6. Jonas K. Lindeløv‏ @jonaslindeloev Jun 29
        Replying to @JPdeRuiter

        Haha, now you only need to give it a confusing name! The "non-unitary universal probability fallacy"?

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      7. J.P. de Ruiter‏ @JPdeRuiter Jun 29
        Replying to @jonaslindeloev

        Or the "holism fallacy"? The whole is unequal to the sum of its parts.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      8. Jonas K. Lindeløv‏ @jonaslindeloev Jun 29
        Replying to @JPdeRuiter

        That's actually pretty good.

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      2. weatherbuzzwords‏ @weatherbuzzword Jun 28
        Replying to @jonaslindeloev

        And check out http://psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2017-24635-002.html … "A Systematic Review of Bayesian Articles in Psychology: The Last 25 Years", many don't even discuss priors, have enough info to reproduce, or do sensitivity analysis. Seems like a crisis in psychology than in frequentism or bayesianism.

        1 reply 3 retweets 18 likes
      3. Jonas K. Lindeløv‏ @jonaslindeloev Jun 28
        Replying to @weatherbuzzword

        Saving this for after the weekend. Thanks for sharing! Will take a look at the frequency with which these errors occur (that number is sure to rise for Bayes as popularity grows)

        0 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
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      2. Jonatan Pallesen‏ @jonatanpallesen Jun 28
        Replying to @jonaslindeloev

        The two first columns say the same

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      3. Jonas K. Lindeløv‏ @jonaslindeloev Jun 28
        Replying to @jonatanpallesen

        One is definition of significant. The other is implied definition in explanation of result.

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      2. J.A. Brown‏ @jaybeebrtweets Jun 28
        Replying to @jonaslindeloev

        I don't get it. Wikipedia says the p-value is the probability that a given result would be obtained if the null hypothesis is true. The H0 is always that there is no relation between the things. Isn't that the same thing as saying it's due to chance?

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      3. J.A. Brown‏ @jaybeebrtweets Jun 28
        Replying to @jaybeebrtweets @jonaslindeloev

        Oh, nevermind, I just realized my own mistake. If a result obtains when the H0 is true, that means it is not caused by the relation in the alternative hypothesis. But it could still be due to something other than chance.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Jonas K. Lindeløv‏ @jonaslindeloev Jun 28
        Replying to @jaybeebrtweets

        Yes! It's convoluted making inference about models when you assume one to be true a priori.

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      2. Marcus Crede‏ @MarcusCrede Jun 28
        Replying to @jonaslindeloev

        Neat although I am having trouble finding the breakdown of book by fallacy on the OSF link.

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      3. Jonas K. Lindeløv‏ @jonaslindeloev Jun 28
        Replying to @MarcusCrede

        It's data_updated.csv

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      4. Marcus Crede‏ @MarcusCrede Jun 28
        Replying to @jonaslindeloev

        Thanks. I had found that but don't know what the columns (e.g., df.f1) represent.

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