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    John Dickson‏Verified account @johnpauldickson 3 Jul 2020

    Thesis: the average 18 year old student in, say, York in AD 800 (the middle of the so-called "Dark Ages") had read more, knew more languages, was better trained in logic, could read more music, knew more mathematics and astronomy than the average student from a university today.

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      1. John Dickson‏Verified account @johnpauldickson 3 Jul 2020

        Sorry, I should have said 'WAY more ..."

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      2. pamn‏ @pamn87 3 Jul 2020
        Replying to @johnpauldickson

        There would have been far fewer students, Church notwithstanding?

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      3. John Dickson‏Verified account @johnpauldickson 3 Jul 2020
        Replying to @pamn87

        There would have been no students without the church.

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      2. Daniel Axtens‏ @daxtens 3 Jul 2020
        Replying to @johnpauldickson

        Wouldn't someone able to be a student at 18 years old in AD 800 also be from the upper classes? I'd guess the average 18 year old now is in a vastly better educational position than the average across all 18 year olds in AD 800?

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      3. John Dickson‏Verified account @johnpauldickson 3 Jul 2020
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        Nope.

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      2. Ricky Campbell-Allen‏ @RickyCA_ 3 Jul 2020
        Replying to @johnpauldickson

        Just a little light on female students perhaps?

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      3. John Dickson‏Verified account @johnpauldickson 3 Jul 2020
        Replying to @RickyCA_

        Light, yes, but there is excellent evidence that they accepted female students - both from Alcuin's letters and from rulings of Hincmar, the archbishop of Rheims.

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      2. Kevin Mitchell. I abhor a vacuum cleaner‏ @kevinmitchell50 3 Jul 2020
        Replying to @johnpauldickson

        Slightly misleading, not wilfully so, I’m sure. What percentage of 18-year-olds in 800AD were students? V few, I’d guess. I’d imagine most 18-year-olds then would have been illiterate.

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      3. John Dickson‏Verified account @johnpauldickson 3 Jul 2020
        Replying to @kevinmitchell50

        A small percentage. But I’d those that were students—rich or poor—were better educated than we are.

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      2. Chris Keating‏ @chriskeating 3 Jul 2020
        Replying to @johnpauldickson

        I suspect a student in 800AD knew more of the things that, by 800AD, had been invented. But less of the things that hadn't. They would have studied Latin and Greek, rhetoric and logic. But they would know very little about maths, their 'astronomy' would largely be spurious....

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      3. Chris Keating‏ @chriskeating 3 Jul 2020
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        ... their knowledge of music would bear little resemblance to anything that we have today, and almost all of the sciences and humanities would be a closed book to them.

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