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John David Ebert

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Author of Art After Metaphysics, The Age of Catastrophe, The New Media Invasion and Dead Celebrities Living Icons.

Santa Fe, NM
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Joined June 2010

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    1. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 12

      Difference between the hero and the celebrity: "The hero becomes more famous with the passage of time, while it is precisely the passage of time that destroys the celebrity." - @johndavidebert Heroes are antifragile, celebrities are fragilistas. @nntaleb

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    2. Alexander Medvedev‏ @medvdv Jun 12
      Replying to @MimeticValue @johndavidebert @nntaleb

      And how about hypothetical celebrity who increases its selebrity-nies level by means of almost heroic PR efforts 😂😉😎

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      John David Ebert‏ @johndavidebert Jun 12
      Replying to @medvdv @MimeticValue @nntaleb

      Doomed to be forgotten quickly.

      7:14 PM - 12 Jun 2018
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        2. Alexander Medvedev‏ @medvdv Jun 13
          Replying to @johndavidebert @MimeticValue @nntaleb

          Compare for ex Monroe and a lot of heroes feom WWII (same period approximately) about who you surely don’t know a lot now 😉

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        3. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 13
          Replying to @medvdv @johndavidebert @nntaleb

          Mimetïc Value Retweeted Mimetïc Value

          Monroe is not a normal celebrity. She is a mythological archetype who has gone through a hero's journey. The average actor is not remembered. The average soldier isn't a hero in the mythological sense, but Chesty Puller and George Patton are.https://twitter.com/MimeticValue/status/1006569776880029696?s=19 …

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          Mimetïc Value @MimeticValue
          "Marilyn Monroe was a literate woman who enjoyed reading Tolstoy and Dostoevsky...The whole tragedy of her life lay in this tension between the anxiety generated by attempting to rid herself of her own cliches, while remaining true to her own complex personality."@johndavidebert
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        4. Alexander Medvedev‏ @medvdv Jun 13
          Replying to @MimeticValue @johndavidebert @nntaleb

          Surely a lot of peoples enjoying reading Tolstoy and Dostoevsky. Here in Russia almost all celebs becouse almost all peoples at school do that 😂😉

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        5. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 13
          Replying to @medvdv @johndavidebert @nntaleb

          No, it's not an excuse, in fact, Monroe was featured in the book. It's a social effect, not simply an attribute of herself. The point is the societal need for myth creation that traces back to human sacrifices at the origin of the human species.

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        6. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 13
          Replying to @MimeticValue @medvdv and

          I'm not putting Monroe on a pedestal for reading. The point here is that fame has made her into an ancient religious sacrifice and disintegrated her ego, which immortalized her inside culture. This isn't what happens to most soldiers or celebrities.

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        7. Alexander Medvedev‏ @medvdv Jun 13
          Replying to @MimeticValue @johndavidebert @nntaleb

          But you can make such excuse for any powerfull celebrity! Its terminological manipulation. If something not fits into theory call it different kind? May be better to advice theory a bit?

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        8. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jun 13
          Replying to @medvdv @johndavidebert @nntaleb

          No, you can't. Vast majority of celebrities are not cultural icons. They become irrelevant quickly, because they don't fulfill the roles the old gods or saints played.

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