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antoine sugar
@joedan346
Democracy is the theory that we should let the lowest fucking common denominator, the mass majority of morons, decide on what's best for the nation
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ziwi
@lynz_h55
The problem is, ALL humans are fallible. All knowledge is theory laden, and all theories are prone to error. No one has the answers and no one can be the judge of what is best for us all (apart from antinatalism 😉). Elitism is a fundamentally flawed world view.
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ziwi
@lynz_h55
There is zero evidence of an ‘elite’ class of humans who are able to accurately predict and navigate socioeconomic landscape to produce an outcome that is significantly better than a democratically established landscape (free markets, democracy).
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ziwi
@lynz_h55
Economics suffers from science envy. So there is this illusion amongst some politicians that the word of the economist is as trustworthy as the advice of an aerospace engineer with regards to an aircraft. Economics can never be a science. Politics can never be a science.
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ziwi
@lynz_h55
It’s a cycle, every dictatorship is eventually toppled as the people demand freedom thus re-establishing democracy. However, this is hardly ever by peaceful means. Democracy is the only way to peacefully remove leaders
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antoine sugar
@joedan346
What Ive observed is that democracies are repeatedly removing leaders in other people's countries in the most brutal & horrifying ways imaginable. The USA (a "democracy" in form only, not in substance) is the king of "regime change" by overwhelming violence
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ziwi
@lynz_h55
Agreed, but not sure if there’s enough evidence to suggest the alternative would be any better. Democracy needs to be improved for sure eg enough evidence to suggest the masses didn’t want to go to war in Iraq, yet the governments in western nations did so anyway
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antoine sugar
@joedan346
Korea... Vietnam... Panama... Nicaragua... Chile... Iraq... Afghanistan... Libya (Obama turned Libya into the slave market capital of the world)... the list goes on and on... democracy spreads mass murder and horror throughout the world
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ziwi
@lynz_h55
But like you say, democracy in name only. I still don’t see how an alternative government structure would stop wars. Especially a dictatorial one or one run by ‘elites’.
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ziwi
@lynz_h55
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@joedan346
100% antinatalist. I still doubt myself till this day, but seeing other antinatalists on Twitter has been helping me slowly realise that i’m not crazy and alone in these thoughts
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antoine sugar
@joedan346
I thought you were but couldnt remember. If youre AN then you know that our very existence is criminal & that existence is inherently flawed, never to be redeemed. The only way out is death. (I'm not advocating suicide. If I were, I'd be dead by now).