(2) If Jesus knew he would come back to life, then the teaching that he died for our signs would deserve to be called total bovine faeces, but he didn't know. Then, after he died, God (if He did and does exist) must have resurrected him. That's what Christians seem to believe.
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(3) So I don't think anyone is trying to lie, at least not on purpose. But, to me, whether Jesus died for our sins or not doesn't really matter. Even if he did, that can't ever be proved. That Jesus actually lived in his time can't be proved either. Neither can God's existence.
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Youre missing the point, OED. It's not about whether or not the mythical event took place. I'm looking from within the myth/meme itself & examining its logic. Jesus was only down from Friday evening til Sunday morning. Then he's back. He obviously didn't die.
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How can you say he obviously didn't die just because he was down only for about 36 hours? Even if someone dies and comes back to life just an hour later, then you can say they died anyway.
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Nah, man, come on... if you are dead for even 10 minutes, your brain cells are done. There's no coming back.
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Yes, that's what *we* believe. But it's not what Christians believe. They believe Jesus died and did come back. And I respect their faith even though I don't and can't ever believe in God. Besides, no one can prove that Jesus did *not* die or that God does *not* exist.
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After several minutes of no oxygen to the brain, it's over. This isnt a belief. It's a demonstrable fact. I'm not even talking about beliefs. I was talking about the mythical meme of Jesus dying for our sins. And, no, you can't prove a negative. See Logic 101
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No oxygen to the brain, then it's over. Yes, it's a fact -- to us anyway, who think logically. And logic is what condemns us. We're just doomed to think logically. We can't think otherwise. Me, neither. But that doesn't mean what we don't believe in does *not* exist.
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I disagree. Most of our thinking is not rational at all. Most of it is acquired by habit, thru experience & not reasoning at all.
As far as something that exists that we don't believe in, I'm going to need an example of what you are talking about.
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You would never know, logically, that after several minutes of no oxygen, the brain cells no longer function. This information came to us thru observation & experience. Just as a child cannot reason logically that putting its hand in a fire will burn.
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The child learns from experience, not logical deduction.
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(1) Well, maybe I didn't know what "logic" really means. But the true definition of the term doesn't really matter. What I mean is that we're programmed to think in terms of what we believe we know from this tiny space of the universe we happened to be condemned to.
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(2) A child knows from experience that when they touch a fire, their fingers burn. Yes, that's a fact -- a fact to us, who happen to live in this tiny space in the entire universe. But we don't know how things are outside this tiny space.
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