Well, if somebody is supposed to have died for you & then a couple days later they're out walking around & talking to people & everything, then, they didn't really die, right? Am I missing something? I don't get it.
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Yeah, of course I know what you're saying. It's just that nobody has been brave enough to say anything remotely similar to what you just said.
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I don't think bravery had anything to do with it. I was just thinking about it. He didn't really die for anyone. It's all bullshit. He may have been out for a day or a day and a half, but he was back to his old self again after that.
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(1) I see your point. But Christians seem to believe that Jesus actually died for their sins. They apparently believe that Jesis didn't know he would be resurrected. In fact, when he was about to die, he said something in Aramaic to express his dispair. He was aching all over.
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(2) If Jesus knew he would come back to life, then the teaching that he died for our signs would deserve to be called total bovine faeces, but he didn't know. Then, after he died, God (if He did and does exist) must have resurrected him. That's what Christians seem to believe.
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(3) So I don't think anyone is trying to lie, at least not on purpose. But, to me, whether Jesus died for our sins or not doesn't really matter. Even if he did, that can't ever be proved. That Jesus actually lived in his time can't be proved either. Neither can God's existence.
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Youre missing the point, OED. It's not about whether or not the mythical event took place. I'm looking from within the myth/meme itself & examining its logic. Jesus was only down from Friday evening til Sunday morning. Then he's back. He obviously didn't die.
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How can you say he obviously didn't die just because he was down only for about 36 hours? Even if someone dies and comes back to life just an hour later, then you can say they died anyway.
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Nah, man, come on... if you are dead for even 10 minutes, your brain cells are done. There's no coming back.
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Yes, that's what *we* believe. But it's not what Christians believe. They believe Jesus died and did come back. And I respect their faith even though I don't and can't ever believe in God. Besides, no one can prove that Jesus did *not* die or that God does *not* exist.
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After several minutes of no oxygen to the brain, it's over. This isnt a belief. It's a demonstrable fact. I'm not even talking about beliefs. I was talking about the mythical meme of Jesus dying for our sins. And, no, you can't prove a negative. See Logic 101
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No oxygen to the brain, then it's over. Yes, it's a fact -- to us anyway, who think logically. And logic is what condemns us. We're just doomed to think logically. We can't think otherwise. Me, neither. But that doesn't mean what we don't believe in does *not* exist.
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I disagree. Most of our thinking is not rational at all. Most of it is acquired by habit, thru experience & not reasoning at all.
As far as something that exists that we don't believe in, I'm going to need an example of what you are talking about.
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