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ziwi
@lynz_h55
Agreed. But then it logically follows there isn’t really a *sufferer*. It would just be as fictitious as the concept of ‘I’. Antinatalism rests on suffering being *real*. Otherwise one could propose that the solution to suffering is the realisation that there is no sufferer
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antoine sugar
@joedan346
For me, antinatalism rests on the fact of existence being an imposition. No "self" is now a fact of modern neuroscience. See Thomas Metzinger & Sam Harris. David Hume, 18th century Scottish philosopher talked about it, as did others.
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antoine sugar
@joedan346
But, you are correct. No self doctrine is taught in Adaita Vedanta & also in Buddhist philosophy, known as 'anatta'. Suffering is subjective. Suffering & pain are not the same thing. It does seem to help the suffering if it is understood that no "one" exists.
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antoine sugar
@joedan346
I don't know how well versed I am but I have studied both Ch'an/Zen Buddhism & Advaita somewhat, and still have an interest in some nondual philosophers on today's scene. One British character over in England by the name of Tony Parsons is most delightful.
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ziwi
@lynz_h55
Is there anything interesting you have to say on the topic of reincarnation. I know in advaita they postulate a subtle body which transmigrates, but this is only apparent and not fundamentally real. Karma, reincarnation are at vyavaharika level (transactional reality) not absolut
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antoine sugar
@joedan346
I don't know of any Advaita masters who taught reincarnation. See Ramana Maharshi or Nisargadatta Maharaj. As there is no self, there is no one to reincarnate.
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ziwi
@lynz_h55
It’s not a core part of the philosophy. However, the teaching is taking you from duality to non-duality, in order to make the seeker grasp the concept. Thus, reincarnation is part of the teaching to explain the current predicament. It is later dropped. Adhyaropa apavada method.
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