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ziwi
@lynz_h55
There are a bunch of unfortunate scientific theories which i believe an AN should personally be very aware of. Namely, that of infinite universes, or an infinite space in which eventually all possibilities play out. Implication of this is that we are sure to be born again
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ziwi
@lynz_h55
This is assuming one believe thats human consciousness is explained by material phenomena and the laws of nature. In which case, after many rolls of the die, your number is certain to come up again
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ziwi
@lynz_h55
My personal position is that i say ‘unfortunate’ but that’s only because of the inevitable suffering implicit in the universe. I do think these theories are likely to be true
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ziwi
@lynz_h55
It’s obviously a very crude analysis to say multiverses = ‘me’ coming into existence again. But it’s actually a very difficult thing to conclude what makes me, ‘me’. I.e if a replica (to the atom) of me were created on earth, would i feel as if i were that replica too?
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antoine sugar
@joedan346
I don't think those multiverse "theories" are really theories. They may be a hypothesis. Or speculation. And, there is no "me" or "you". "You" is just a word, a linguistic fiction devised to facilitate language.
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ziwi
@lynz_h55
Agreed. But then it logically follows there isn’t really a *sufferer*. It would just be as fictitious as the concept of ‘I’. Antinatalism rests on suffering being *real*. Otherwise one could propose that the solution to suffering is the realisation that there is no sufferer
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antoine sugar
@joedan346
For me, antinatalism rests on the fact of existence being an imposition. No "self" is now a fact of modern neuroscience. See Thomas Metzinger & Sam Harris. David Hume, 18th century Scottish philosopher talked about it, as did others.
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