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Joona Lehtomäki
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Science adviser for the Strategic Research Council @Akatemia_STN Environment, scipol interfaces and open science. Views my own.

Helsinki, Finland
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    Joona Lehtomäki‏ @jlehtoma 17 Dec 2018

    72% of corresponding authors (CA) responded positively to a raw data request when the CA was an early career researcher. Same figure for senior researchers was only 11%. https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/fulltext/S0169-5347(18)30281-7 … #openscience #hope #paywall

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      2. Chris Swain‏ @macinchem 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jlehtoma

        Perhaps you need to ask the person who did the work?

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      3. Joona Lehtomäki‏ @jlehtoma 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @macinchem

        Ask what?

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      4. Chris Swain‏ @macinchem 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jlehtoma

        Often actual work is done by junior member, ask them for the data.

        1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
      5. Joona Lehtomäki‏ @jlehtoma 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @macinchem

        Right! Sounds like a good idea.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Adam Mott‏ @Adam_Mott 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jlehtoma @SueRhee2

        The question is will we ECRs become secretive over time, or are we seeing the start of a more open community?

        2 replies 1 retweet 38 likes
      3. Joona Lehtomäki‏ @jlehtoma 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @Adam_Mott @SueRhee2

        Correct, I think this is the right question to ask.

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      2. Emilio Vilanova‏ @evilanova 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jlehtoma

        I still need to read the paper but I’ll ask the question anyway: how much of this “openness” could be driven by the potential benefit for ECRs to be a coauthor in someone else’s paper that eventually could yield more benefits (e.g. > papers, tenure)?

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      3. Joona Lehtomäki‏ @jlehtoma 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @evilanova

        I don't know, but the benefits of at least data citations (not co-authorship) are discussed in the paper. I think is a completely legitimate reason for opening up your data.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. Emilio Vilanova‏ @evilanova 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jlehtoma

        For sure! I totally agree. Sharing data can be, in fact, driven or motivated by multiple and legitimate reasons. I just wanted to ask about this particular one in the case of the paper. Thanks!

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      2. Aleeza Gerstein‏ @acgerstein 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jlehtoma

        .@TimHVines .@kj_gilbert et al. any evidence of this in your dataset?

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      3. Tim Vines‏ @TimHVines 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @acgerstein @jlehtoma @kj_gilbert

        It's a tricky effect to look for, as only older researchers can have old articles. Do they not want to share their data because they're older, or because they're from a cohort that never liked sharing data?

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      4. Tim Vines‏ @TimHVines 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @TimHVines @acgerstein and

        There's all sorts of problems with this article - e.g. they didn't actually check whether the authors had already shared their data before asking them to share it.

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      5. Joona Lehtomäki‏ @jlehtoma 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @TimHVines @acgerstein @kj_gilbert

        Let's ping the CA @Hamish_Dr , perhaps he can provide some comments on this

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      2. David Rich‏ @rockyboulders 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jlehtoma @researchremix

        The data sharing research paper is behind paywall? 🤔

        1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
      3. Dustin Parrish‏ @parrishdk 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @rockyboulders @jlehtoma @researchremix

        Just get an early career researcher to ask for the data.

        0 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
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      1. Steve Nesbitt‏ @70_dbz 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jlehtoma

        Interesting that the data may be freely available, but the publication probably isn’t...pic.twitter.com/JfPgDV5Ujy

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      1. Dmitry Schigel‏ @dschigel 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jlehtoma

        I did not know these figures, but we plan to do exactly that with my student: from my point of view, the most informed person in study team becomes a CA naturally, which often means a more junior person.

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      1. Kaja Wasik‏ @kajawasik 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jlehtoma

        The remaining 89% of senior researchers never saw the raw data themselves too...

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      2. Tony Heitkam  🌱 🔍 💚‏ @toheitka 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @jlehtoma

        I have to admit that I am not surprised. Isn't fear correlated with age?

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Wayne Thogmartin‏ @wthogmartin 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @toheitka @jlehtoma

        I wouldn’t call it fear, but rather misplaced priorities and, perhaps, less familiarity/training in reproducible methods.

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      4. Tony Heitkam  🌱 🔍 💚‏ @toheitka 18 Dec 2018
        Replying to @wthogmartin @jlehtoma

        Yes, you also have a point. Maybe it is also lack of data access, after a postdoc has left (which is essentially a result of less training in reproducible methods).

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