Discussion about placebos often focuses on the boring thing: "gotcha, the treatment didn't work the way you thought it would.." The cool thing about placebos is past that: "..didn't work the way you thought it would, because the body did ??something?? and fixed itself"
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But you can also ascertain the placebo effect when studies run a placebo *and* a no-treatment arm, and the placebo effect does still exist (albeit in a smaller slice of conditions)
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