I remember the days of the self-effacing "Forever Alone" meme. Those guys were alright.
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Sad is how I saw the incel community too. Mostly guys who where undateable for one reason or other and were sad and slightly bitter about it. Didn't seem to be much hate there. Anger here and there, but not hatred. The stuff that has surfaced recently is very different.
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Yeah I don't think sad would even be the right word for black pill guys. They comfort themselves with hopelessness. Not even learned but trained helplessness. Any suggestion that there's hope or someone's going overboard is "cope"
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