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    1. Jesse Singal‏Verified account @jessesingal May 2

      This is all similar to the convo we were having a/b young men getting seduced by the alt-right: I think there's def a way to treat frustrated/angry/lonely young men as human beings deserving of empathy w/o buying into crazy ideas that they "deserve" things other groups don't

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    2. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet May 2
      Replying to @jessesingal

      Almost every human deserves some empathy (arguably all humans at some point in their lives). But guys we're talking about in general have received too much empathy in their lives & not enough challenge.

      7 replies 4 retweets 57 likes
      Jesse Singal‏Verified account @jessesingal May 2
      Replying to @HeerJeet

      Oh man I really disagree with that. I dipped a toe into incel communities like 6-7 years ago with an eye toward writing about them. These guys do not feel like the object of much empathy. There's some seriously profound darkness there.

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        2. Stephen Judkins‏ @stephenjudkins May 2
          Replying to @jessesingal @HeerJeet

          I don't want to wade into the argument of whether these guys are good or bad or deserve more or less empathy. But most of them have extremely severe social and emotional disabilities. Maybe society did it, but they're not an attitude adjustment away from being normal

          1 reply 0 retweets 20 likes
        3. Jesse Singal‏Verified account @jessesingal May 2
          Replying to @stephenjudkins @HeerJeet

          Right, and I do think that it's interesting that in most cases we'd reject arguments of the form "This group just needs to buck up -- we've gone too soft on them"

          4 replies 1 retweet 28 likes
        4. Tacchino è buono  🍝‏Verified account @AdamSerwer May 2
          Replying to @jessesingal @stephenjudkins @HeerJeet

          hey jesse i think you want to be really careful about using language that sounds like you might be comparing historically disfavored groups to men who are angry that women can choose to have sex with.

          8 replies 2 retweets 14 likes
        5. Jesse Singal‏Verified account @jessesingal May 2
          Replying to @AdamSerwer @stephenjudkins @HeerJeet

          Jesse Singal Retweeted Jesse Singal

          Eh further down in that very thread I make it clear who I'm comparing the incels to -- other subsets of the broader category of "frustrated young men"https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/991779290504159232?s=19 …

          Jesse Singal added,

          Jesse SingalVerified account @jessesingal
          3/ human beings and even setting aside pragmatic concerns I'd argue there's still a moral imperative to not assume monstrosity just because someone is a dysfunctional outcast susceptible to radicalism. A lot of people who write eloquently about the need to "better understand"
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        6. Silpa Kovvali‏Verified account @SilpaKov May 2
          Replying to @jessesingal @AdamSerwer @HeerJeet

          But the problem is precisely that you don't treat historically disfavored grps w nearly the same amt of compassion you reserve for those who opt into the alt-right. That empathy you reserve for white men is itself a privilege you think they're entitled to that other groups aren't

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        7. Jesse Singal‏Verified account @jessesingal May 2
          Replying to @SilpaKov @AdamSerwer @HeerJeet

          That's a pretty serious accusation to say I don't think systematically oppressed people deserve empathy. I don't understand where that's coming from or what your basis is for saying that.

          2 replies 0 retweets 31 likes
        8. Silpa Kovvali‏Verified account @SilpaKov May 2
          Replying to @jessesingal @AdamSerwer @HeerJeet

          I said same amt, not any empathy at all. I think, for example, your tendency to issue behavioral prescriptions to POC, urging them to be so very kind to people who deny them humanity, is framed by you as empathy, when you are in fact being quite cold to the truly marginalized grp

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        2. shams‏ @FoptimusSublime May 2
          Replying to @jessesingal @HeerJeet

          Maybe they don't feel it because their expectation is that they are entitled to so much of it because of what Jeet is saying.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Jesse Singal‏Verified account @jessesingal May 2
          Replying to @FoptimusSublime @HeerJeet

          Eh, I'm sorta resistant to that explanation for the same reasons I'm resistant to the idea that "entitlement" causes mass shootings, which people were also bandying about -- it just feels like you can tack it on to any explanation for why anyone does anything

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. shams‏ @FoptimusSublime May 2
          Replying to @jessesingal @HeerJeet

          But it isn't just anyone whining about being incels or perpetrating mass shootings. It's white men.

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Touchdown Al‏ @Touchdown_al May 2
          Replying to @FoptimusSublime @jessesingal @HeerJeet

          That's...not really true.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Touchdown Al‏ @Touchdown_al May 2
          Replying to @Touchdown_al @FoptimusSublime and

          Most are white men, sure, but that's because they're almost all men and most men are white (in the US)

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Kate: Earnest Analytical Paradoxical Womb‏ @katehanson May 2
          Replying to @Touchdown_al @FoptimusSublime and

          Even controlling for demographics, white men are over-represented among mass shooters.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Jesse Singal‏Verified account @jessesingal May 2
          Replying to @katehanson @Touchdown_al and

          That's falsehttp://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/whiteness-mass-shootings.html …

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        9. Kate: Earnest Analytical Paradoxical Womb‏ @katehanson May 2
          Replying to @jessesingal @Touchdown_al and

          I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.

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        2. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet May 2
          Replying to @jessesingal

          I've dipped in too. I think they've fallen into the darkness through a sense of entitlement.

          1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
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        2. killington00 says investigate Amazon‏ @killington00 May 2
          Replying to @jessesingal @HeerJeet

          "These guys do not feel like the object of much empathy." - This doesn't mean they don't get it! The media has been feeding the empathetic train of incel-adjacent men for decades. The fact that they can't realize this is because they fundamentally lack perspective.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. killington00 says investigate Amazon‏ @killington00 May 2
          Replying to @killington00 @jessesingal @HeerJeet

          Better advice than: "yes, you're right, we'll find a way to force women to serve you" is.. maybe.. just maybe... "take better care of yourself, dress well, be more interesting, be more confident, and attract mates without dystopian gender authoritarianism"

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        4. Liddle Lamzy Dive‏ @saucissonsec May 2
          Replying to @killington00 @jessesingal @HeerJeet

          "Also stop being violently ideated creeps, that would go a long way."

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