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Jesse Powell
@jespow
Since when is anything that uses electricity evil? Should we survey the ROI on every industry or just shut down the Internet and power plants, and roll civilization back to the stone age? Maybe energy is underpriced. That's not the consumer's problem. Crypto is net positive.
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J. Anders Langberg (anders.tez)
@jalangberg
It’s not so black and white. When there are alternatives, it’s irresponsible to use an energy guzzling legacy alternative. If you do, mitigate. PoW showed the way, but PoS is here now. It’s doing what we can with tech we have. Regardless if it’s cars or crypto.
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Jesse Powell
@jespow
It's not irresponsible. Market will decide what it values. Who's to say what people should be doing with the energy they buy? Should we dictate how humans should spend the calories they consume? The problem seems to be that dirtier forms of energy production are undertaxed.
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J. Anders Langberg (anders.tez)
@jalangberg
If your choices only affected you, I would agree. But calories as well as energy have a much wider impact, so we have to think about others. If we don’t, someone else eventually will. All energy have an ecological footprint, not just fossil based. So using less is just better.
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Jesse Powell
@jespow
Disagree. Energy is not finite and it's not destroyed, anyway. We will have to use more energy as we grow the number of humans, get off the planet and populate the universe. The impact we care about is on the atmosphere and is specific to certain types of energy conversion.
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J. Anders Langberg (anders.tez)
@jalangberg
I think my point is that by self-moderating we leave ourselves room to use energy where we have to, and leave us time to shift from fossil. Hydro and wind power both destroy local ecosystems, so it’s not without impact even if it doesn’t contribute to global warming.
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ĦB∆R Ev∆ngelion 🚽
@BarEvangelion
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@jespow
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@jalangberg
It’s normal to think that energy should be used efficiently. You see this in any biological organism as defined by natural selection and you see it in the refinement of human technology over time. 🌍🚨 It’s expected for Jesse to have opposite view. He has...a lot “at stake”. 😬
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Schedule F them all
@sstackmore
Efficiency is wonderful but we want a lot MORE energy production and use per capita. That is human progress. This stalled out forty or fifty years ago. I want my flying car and vacations on the moon.
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