Why don't you guys go move it the middle of nowhere and build whatever society you want there with a clean slate? Seems like that'd be a lot easier than trying to fight the existing system that all the property owners have already bought in to and relied upon all these years.
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Because, if your goal is to live somewhere with no jobs and few people, you can easily just move yourself out to the middle of nowhere. If my goal is to live somewhere with jobs and lots of people, I'd have to somehow move lots of jobs and people to this location - not easy.
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I want to live in a low density community with lots of jobs and lots of people nearby, who will respect the laws of our community and not try to force rezoning and colonization upon us. I am willing to pay a lot to live in such an area. What's the price to be left alone?
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Morally speaking? The price would be for each house in the low-density community to pay as much in property taxes as a large apartment building. Because that's the revenue you're denying the local government by keeping your area low-density.
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Sounds about right but there's some value in a diversity of land use. You don't want to treat all the land as if it's useful for the most taxable purpose. A city can't only be housing. There's some point where you give a little to attract biz, rich residents who'll spend & hire.
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Lots of rich people love living in dense areas. Just look at manhattan - no shortage of rich people there. If you are the type of rich person who wants to live in a low-density area, you should pay for the externality of preventing others from utilizing land more effectively.
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Ya, I agree with that. Happy to pay the price. Would much prefer to just pay to stay where I'm at than have a bunch of people vote to take away my rights.
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Your rights are not being taken away. You have no right to restrict your neighbor from using their property as they see fit. Yes, you can vote to do it, but others can vote differently. The Supreme Court would rule against property rights restrictions, if anything.
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Whether I have that right depends on what system of law we all agreed to. If the law says they're not allowed to build, I do have the right to block it. I relied on that law and made investments, and I'd be damaged by a breach of contract. They can try to change the law.
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It seems you don't understand how laws and contracts work. You cannot sue for damages due to a zoning law change. But you're welcome to try, I'd love to see it (and laugh at it)!
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That's exactly the problem. It would be better for everyone if zoning laws could be relied upon for a given period of time, OR, if a change has to be made for the greater good that the victims of the change would be compensated.
I don't understand. If you own land, upzoning will increase the value of that land. What exactly do you want to be compensated for? You think you deserve ADDITIONAL compensation beyond the increased value of the land you own??? Wat
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The presumption is that the value of all land to each individual can be independently measured in terms of dollars by some appraiser. What if no amount of money is worth the sky or the trees, or the silence? "upzoning" is a downgrade in value by my measurements.
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