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Chair @SWLHumanists; Active: @humanists_UK @fairadmissions; @faithbelieforum

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    Jeremy Rodell‏ @jeremyr1 Oct 1

    Jeremy Rodell Retweeted Stephen Knight

    Need hadith expert view on claim "scriptural relationship" btw Islam/FGM. E.g. quoted "Abu al- Malih ibn `Usama's father relates that the Prophet said: "Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women." Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 5:75; Abu Dawud, Adab 16" @rashadzali1https://twitter.com/GSpellchecker/status/1046728966139244549 …

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    Stephen Knight @GSpellchecker
    Replying to @jeremyr1
    This is the lie https://twitter.com/GSpellchecker/status/1046708907215925249?s=19 …
    9:08 AM - 1 Oct 2018
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      2. Stephen Knight‏ @GSpellchecker Oct 1
        Replying to @jeremyr1 @rashadzali1

        Yeah. Opinion from the scholars ain't great news either. The schools or jurisprudence seem to range from noble to obligatory

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      3. Jeremy Rodell‏ @jeremyr1 Oct 1
        Replying to @GSpellchecker @rashadzali1

        Maybe. But fact that even @mcb don't support FGM suggests there is at very least major disagreement on this point. Some Hadiths are seen as more credible than others. Want to know about the ones you've quoted. @mnizami_uk

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      4. Atheist Messiah‏ @LatestMessiah Oct 1
        Replying to @jeremyr1 @GSpellchecker and

        This Hadith is graded Sahih, the highest grade of authenticity in orthodox Islam https://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/USC-MSA/Book-3/Hadith-684 … It contains the normative assumption in the words of the Muhammad character that both men and women are to be circumcised. No speaking against it, just tacit approval.

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      5. Jeremy Rodell‏ @jeremyr1 Oct 1
        Replying to @LatestMessiah @GSpellchecker and

        Thanks. But link is about bathing?

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      6. Atheist Messiah‏ @LatestMessiah Oct 1
        Replying to @jeremyr1 @GSpellchecker and

        "When the circumcised parts touch"

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      7. Jeremy Rodell‏ @jeremyr1 Oct 1
        Replying to @LatestMessiah @GSpellchecker and

        So you don't have to bathe if you're not circumcised!? I know that's not what you meant, but I simply wanted to understand the specific example @GSpellchecker quoted. As @ms_eastern says, separate question whether being in hadith makes it mandatory - clearly (correctly IMO) not.

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      8. Atheist Messiah‏ @LatestMessiah Oct 1
        Replying to @jeremyr1 @GSpellchecker and

        I can't find the Hadith he's quoting in Abu Dawud. Not in Adab 16 anyway.

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      2. Ms_Eastern‏ @ms_eastern Oct 1
        Replying to @jeremyr1 @rashadzali1

        If the scholars say yes circumcision is obligatory does that make it mandatory to agree with it? The idea that in this day and age we need to agree on it is worrying

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      3. Jeremy Rodell‏ @jeremyr1 Oct 1
        Replying to @ms_eastern @rashadzali1

        Of course not. It's wrong, end of.

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      1. Rashad Ali‏ @rashadzali1 Oct 1
        Replying to @jeremyr1

        There are different and conflicting traditions and in fact these are unfounded or fabricated. Hadīth Masters like Ibn Abdul-Barr stated this almost a millenium ago, & it is harmful, so scholars have rejected this practice for women as he did in Tamhīd. It is harmful end of!

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