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Cultural theory, political analysis, dance party politics. Academic. Books https://bit.ly/3zkZbXf . Pods #ACFM, @LoveMessagePod, http://culturepowerpolitics.org .

London, England
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    Jeremy Gilbert‏ @jemgilbert 14 Apr 2020

    Since the early 90s I've had contact with people who ended up being important in all Labour factions, from proto-Blairites to the hardest left. Nothing in that report suprises me. No: they're not all as bad as each other. The right are always more cynical and more sadistic...

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      2. Jeremy Gilbert‏ @jemgilbert 14 Apr 2020

        They're not all bad people. But they have a contempt for their opponents and for democracy that manifests itself as an ends-justify-means approach that would shock the most hardened Leninist. Yes, there are bullies on the left, and careerists. But it's not the same.

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      3. Jeremy Gilbert‏ @jemgilbert 14 Apr 2020

        What are those 'ends'? The achievement of minimal social reforms and the protection of their own career interests. In their own minds, they make no distinction between the two and they convince themselves that any threat to one is a threat to the other...

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      4. Jeremy Gilbert‏ @jemgilbert 14 Apr 2020

        Honestly I think 1 of the weaknesses of Corbynism was that too many of its early operatives had come from outside the Party and really didn't understand how ruthless and uncooperative the right could be in practice. I remember trying to convince Corbyn staffers early on of this.

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      5. Jeremy Gilbert‏ @jemgilbert 14 Apr 2020

        Not that there is necessarily anything they could have done. The right spent literally 20 years entrenching themselves and rooting out opposition. They suffered many setbacks and detours along the way. The idea that we could reverse the process any quicker was always naive.

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      6. Jeremy Gilbert‏ @jemgilbert 14 Apr 2020

        The left is still in a much stronger position now that it was 5 years ago and the fact that some report has come out that demonstrates stuff that loads of us always knew anyway doesn't change that one bit. It was always going to take at least a decade to really get anywhere.

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      7. Jeremy Gilbert‏ @jemgilbert 14 Apr 2020

        Oh and one other thing is that the cynicism of the right means that while they will happily discuss their tactics and ideology even with lefties whom they happen to respect, they will happily & habitually lie to their own base about them. @guardian @BBCNews collude shamefully.

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      1. Dr Susan Grey‏ @SJG99 14 Apr 2020
        Replying to @jemgilbert @TinaMcKay_

        I also remember that ruthlessness in the Kinnock days.

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      2. Thorody (aka Vicky Putler)‏ @Thorody1 14 Apr 2020
        Replying to @jemgilbert

        No one knows what their ‘ends’ are though. They pour scorn on every basic labour principle.

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      3. Functionario‏ @functionario 14 Apr 2020
        Replying to @Thorody1 @jemgilbert

        Power and its retention.

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      2. John‏ @joshdelesther1 14 Apr 2020
        Replying to @jemgilbert

        its a pity they aren't made to defend centrism especially economically this would actually be constructive to debate. Instead they're trapped in rationalising why the left can't/ won't work. Will they die out or is a permanent feature of parliament?

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      3. Saint_Just‏ @SalwayBrewer 14 Apr 2020
        Replying to @joshdelesther1 @jemgilbert

        I keep asking this lot for policies, one guy said it wasn't for him to define them but he still criticized the left. He seemed to have no idea what he actually believed just hated the left.

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