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    1. David Owens II ‏@owensd Jul 27

      David Owens II Retweeted J Cheyo Jimenez

      So `final` is either a compiler hint for types w/i modules or used to close `open` types/members, right? What else?https://twitter.com/masters3d/status/758429795529084928 …

      David Owens II added,

      J Cheyo Jimenez @masters3d
      @owensd https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution-announce/2016-July/000268.html …
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    2. David Owens II ‏@owensd Jul 27

      Also, really unhappy about this part... that means you *cannot* test using @testable (aka normal unit tests). Right?pic.twitter.com/QS9fiyuOef

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    3. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 27

      @owensd Unless I missed something, @testable builds should always allow subclassing.

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    4. David Owens II ‏@owensd Jul 27

      @jckarter exactly, so you can always subclass, so forgetting `open` on the type becomes super trivial.

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      Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 27

      @owensd Not sure what you're getting at. Tests get special abilities that normal builds don't, as they already do for internals.

      4:01 PM - 27 Jul 2016
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        1. David Owens II ‏@owensd Jul 27

          @jckarter how do I prevent my stupidity here?https://gist.github.com/owensd/d43e3e233eb2b594c54fe5da5f244edd …

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        3. Guy English ‏@gte Jul 27

          @owensd @jckarter It seems like a Fix It could handle that.

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        4. David Owens II ‏@owensd Jul 27

          @gte @jckarter so basically a warning... but that's still inconsistent with the stated desire from the passage.

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        5. Guy English ‏@gte Jul 27

          @owensd @jckarter Yeah. There seems like there’s ambiguity there. Even desirability. Is an open subclass of a public class be a valid thing?

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        6. David Owens II ‏@owensd Jul 27

          @gte @jckarter I personally feel like the application of SE-0025 is straight up weird and untestable to begin with. But ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

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        8. Guy English ‏@gte Jul 27

          @owensd @jckarter The specifics of that are intricate. But as a rule I applaud breaking away from files being a meaningful abstraction.

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        1. Michael Tsai ‏@mjtsai Jul 27

          @jckarter Does this affect the ability to test optimized code?

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        2. Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jul 27

          @mjtsai Testing optimized code at anything other than the black-box public interface level is going to be inaccurate to some degree.

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