Joe Groff on Twitter: "@mpweiher @staypufd @timburks The initializer model does need reconsideration, though. Current model doesn't fit our ABI resilience goals."

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Tim Burks ‏@timburks Jan 28 Los Altos, CA

Tim Burks Retweeted Sam Griffith

https://open.spotify.com/track/3kNIXrf4wOLxBh40tA5NtN …https://twitter.com/staypufd/status/692949478031101952 …

Tim Burks added,

Sam Griffith @staypufd

More examples of Swift being more complex and dangerous than Obj-C. Seven Swift Snares & How to Avoid Them - Swift https://developer.ibm.com/swift/2016/01/27/seven-swift-snares-how-to-avoid-them/ …
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Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jan 29

@timburks @staypufd These are all things we hope to remove or provide diagnostics for in 3.0, at least.
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Sam Griffith ‏@staypufd Jan 29

@jckarter @timburks Good. Swift for all its newness is going down a path much like C++ did as far as complexity. That is worrisome.
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Joe Groff ‏@jckarter Jan 29

@staypufd @timburks Unlike C++ we're willing to shed complexity if things end up not working well or can be replaced by simpler rules.
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Marcel Weiher ‏@mpweiher Jan 29

@jckarter @staypufd @timburks That’s a great! Question: how far are you willing to backtrack? After all, diagnostics add complexity. Also, …
Marcel Weiher ‏@mpweiher Jan 29

Marcel Weiher Retweeted Orta Therox

@jckarter @staypufd @timburks see https://twitter.com/orta/status/693091042497806337 … on initialisers, compare with Chris’s response to http://blog.metaobject.com/2014/06/remove-features-for-greater-power-aka.html …

Marcel Weiher added,

Orta Therox @orta

Swift’s init rules are confusing. I’ve never once got anything non-trivial right first time Seeing a lot of Shia https://twitter.com/orta/status/669988319766384640 …
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@mpweiher @staypufd @timburks The initializer model does need reconsideration, though. Current model doesn't fit our ABI resilience goals.

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