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I teach journalism at NYU, critique the press, try to suggest reforms. PressThink is the name of my subject and my site. Started blogging in 2003. Still at it.

New York City jr3@nyu.edu
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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Mar 2020

      We wasted February and the failure wasn't just from the administration. Many in media, too, fueled the complacency. Why? Because we don't know how to think about complex systems—something we must learn to get through this. I explain how. New piece from me. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/03/what-really-doomed-americas-coronavirus-response/608596/ …pic.twitter.com/MBdkBqvnPs

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Mar 2020

      I expect some resistance, especially from my friends in media. It's easier to fixate on the big problems with the administration. But one reason it's hard to get people to understand the problem now: up until March, the message from media was, chill, worry about the flu instead.pic.twitter.com/w3FcCeKhwB

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Mar 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted verónica potes  💚

      Yes. Many of the discussion in February of R0 and CFR were misguided.The problem was never really about that, though of course those matter but within a systems context. That's why all the flu comparisons were so inappropriate that they weren't even wrong.https://twitter.com/veropotes/status/1242444351265034242 …

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      verónica potes  💚 @veropotes
      Tipping points,cascades and avalanches (few small changes end up triggering massive shifts),all examples of nonlinear dynamics in which the event doesn’t follow simple addition in its impacts—that’s why this coronavirus was never just about its R0 or CFR. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/03/what-really-doomed-americas-coronavirus-response/608596/ …
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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Mar 2020

      One reason I highlight media failures in my article is that I watched with great frustration in February as people asked in local Facebook groups if they should travel—to Disneyland, to conferences—and decided to go as people shared these "worry about the flu, instead" articles.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Mar 2020

      Another reason I wrote this, even though I knew many in traditional media will not like it. The current messaging and discussion is still too simplistic and will not get us through all this. Stay home for few weeks isn't it. There are many trade-offs and complicated interactions.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Mar 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      For example, discussions of herd immunity, when to go back to work and how, the next waves, prioritizing risks, etc. all have to be had. The stock market isn't a humane priority or reason but there will be painful trade-offs and we have to talk about them.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1242266044418404352 …

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      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Replying to @jbouie @geomblog
      The argument is so inhuman, so callous that’s it can’t really be considered on its merits. And yet, it also fails on its merits! The stock market isn’t going anywhere up when hospitals are so overrun that child mortality spikes up and people of all ages also start dying more.
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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Mar 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      By the way, here's my thread from January 29th about that NEJM paper mentioned in the article. More with similar findings came out right after that. That's what I mean, we wasted February. It was right there us but we kept hearing what about the flu.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1222662053329924098 …

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      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      So far, #nCoV2019 has some features more favorable than SARS (no super-spreaders identified yet etc.) BUT @NEJM paper says some have atypical presentation: gastro symptoms or mild clinical presentation. (SARS came with high fever). Translation: we need maybe millions of tests.😬
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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Mar 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      Thread from a month ago. 😢https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1232352734990520331 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      "We get the flu every year." You know what will happen if we hit COVID-19 unprepared? More people will die of... the flu. And everything else. On top of COVID-19. We have only so many hospital beds, ventilators, ICUs. To be ready means we are ready to flatten the curve—buy time.
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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Mar 2020

      It's going to be like the 2016 election, isn't it? Many journalists did amazing reporting since, but there really hasn't been any systematic reckoning among traditional media and punditry about their own role in all of it. (They'll talk about the tech part, though). So with this.

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      Jay Rosen‏Verified account @jayrosen_nyu 24 Mar 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Run-up to the Iraq War. Financial crisis in 2008. Election of 2016. No broad reckoning after any of them. Notice how after each of these collapses, there's a huge story to cover. So they move on.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 24 Mar 2020
          Replying to @jayrosen_nyu

          I’ve had the same feeling. It’s hard to believe but here we are.

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        3. Proud European from Austria 🇪🇺 🇦🇹  🌏‏ @e2dot7182818284 1 Apr 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @jayrosen_nyu

          The sad thing is:Lessons that could be learned, aren't. 🤷‍♂️ You raised the idea of cultural scripts as one possible reason recently. I like the idea. It creates willful, systemic blindness.

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        1. Jody Shenn‏ @JodyShenn 24 Mar 2020
          Replying to @jayrosen_nyu @zeynep

          2000 election night and subsequent weeks

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        1. Subbu Vincent‏ @subbuvincent 24 Mar 2020
          Replying to @jayrosen_nyu @zeynep

          1/ The holy cow routines of sourcing, quotes, expertism and perspective diversity have all become ends in themselves instead of being a means. This is why journalistic-morality seems shallow when compared with nuanced critical theories on race, power and class.

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        2. Subbu Vincent‏ @subbuvincent 24 Mar 2020
          Replying to @jayrosen_nyu @zeynep

          2/ This plays badly into the Internet’s atomization of the information experience AND from ending elitist gatekeepers. News firms lost control of product experience. We cannot design and deliver serendipity of discovery, slowing people down, curosity led learning as more.

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        3. Subbu Vincent‏ @subbuvincent 24 Mar 2020
          Replying to @subbuvincent @jayrosen_nyu @zeynep

          Most of all journalism is running on the inside as if newsrooms are still gatekeepers. That assembly line was always problematic, non inclusive and died. Just going at it as if that was the only way is why we keep coming back to the same place, country after democratic country.

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        1. Lee 💉 💉‏ @pommylee 24 Mar 2020
          Replying to @jayrosen_nyu @LemieuxLGM @zeynep

          We've had a huge increase in Chinese immigration to Australia in the last 20 yrs, as soon as Wuhan happened you noticed on the streets every Asian face with a facemask & nobody else, seems living through SARS & Bird Flu wised them up while the rest of us were stupidly complacent

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        1. Jennifer S. Deayton‏ @arockmom 24 Mar 2020
          Replying to @jayrosen_nyu @zeynep

          Simply, and what everyone here in Hong Kong knows: always - always! - take China’s official numbers & multiply by 10.

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        1. Trocess Pruster‏ @ThesillyDane 25 Mar 2020
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          A guy running for President played a role in two of these catastrophes...

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        1. Chris Dancy  🐵 👱🏼‍♂️ 🤖‏Verified account @chrisdancy 25 Mar 2020
          Replying to @jayrosen_nyu @nathanjurgenson @zeynep

          Wait so are you asking people to pay attention in a world where editors generate clickbait headlines, keeping people jumping from story to story?

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