Notice that everyone who is defending the Pope hates Catholics and would prefer that they all died in a fire.
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Guilt-free casual sex, homosexual relations without stigma, perversion turned into virtue, easy contraception, on-demand pornography, big houses, big cars, flashing casino lights, drugs, booze, and all that. We need a spiritual revolution that will begin in the Church . . .
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There is nothing wrong with big houses and big cars. There is something very wrong with four naked priests in a bed. When you say "big houses" it is like Pope Francis saying "Global Warming" - a spurious claim to be holier than thou. It is phariseeism.
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The solution for many American traditionalists is manly priests, expulsion of all traces of homosexuality among priests and laity, Latin Mass, and isolation from the modern world, with or without the Pope.
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I feel the reforms have to be accomplished with and through the Pope, in a way that affects and includes the global church in all the complexity of its relationship with modern culture.
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Modern "culture" is a competing religion, with its own standards of holiness. Adopting alien children and giving them sex changes is our equivalent of sacrificing children to Moloch, a demonstration of superior holiness that will advance one's career.
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Reform must begin with rejecting the new Phariseeism, with a claim of moral authority for the ancient Church, not the latest hip fashions.
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The things you are talking about are bad, but the Pope is not doing those things. You seem to think that if a person advocates something (like environmentalism or sympathy for refugees) that liberals also tend to advocate, that makes them a liberal. It doesn’t.
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The pople engages in a public display of Progressive virtue, when accused of Christian sin. This is phariseeism and a repudiation of Christian virtues. By responding "Global Warming" to "Homosexuality" the Pope burns incense to Caesar.
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It all comes down to how the Church has engaged, and is engaging with, liberal modernity. Some want to accommodate it, some want to retreat from it, but I think we should grapple with it and change it. And Pope Francis is someone who can help the Church do that.
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Churches that sell out to modernity vanish. Why should the congregation show up on sunday to hear that whites, males, and straights are evil and single moms are heroes when they get that all the time everywhere? If Pope Francis does not believe, why should anyone believe?
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In other words, I don’t think the traditionalist prescription of Latin Mass, manlier priests, and antimodernism will do anything to save the Church. But of course the liberal Catholics are fooling themselves if they think GLBTQ acceptance or ending clerical celibacy will help.
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Observed behavior is that Churches that modernize die. Where are the congregationalists?
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That part is true. People who hate the Catholic Church love Francis, because he hates the Catholic Church (at least what is has always been).
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. . . and then extend outward into modernity and change it, correct it. Not a retreat into a cloistered Church-as-a-museum. That’s the direction I fear some trads are going in, even if it means leaving the Church itself. Some already have. But that’s not the Church’s mission.
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The more I think about it, the more I feel the problem is not confined to homosexuality, although that is undoubtedly a problem. It’s a case of Catholic priests, and the Catholic laity, looking out at the world liberalism created and wanting to take part.
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