I keep being told (and want to believe) that whether people are culturally liberal or conservative is irrelevant, but then I actively hear pushing socially conservative messaging is the way forward. Why concede that social conservatism has a monopoly on non-market relationships?
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Replying to @adrianeaux
Socially conservative messaging? Like, specifically Christian?
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Replying to @jackfruitstaken @adrianeaux
In any case one intuitive reason to suggest 'socially conservative' messaging is that social conservatism has failed on the market. Another is that social liberalism marks all areas around its border as socially conservative.
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The first one makes more sense if you draw it out, but never precludes other possibilities. The second is precisely the definitional problem - if conservative just means "non-Left" and we can't control what "left" actually is, then by definition we're left with conservatism.
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Replying to @jackfruitstaken
Why doesn't the definitional problem hold for (or does it?) for Marxism? I guess I just don't get why we need to concede this point, to me it seems like a Faustian bargain, which didn't work for the left when recruiting liberals.
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Replying to @adrianeaux
It's a problem of explicitly adopting any named ideology, yes. The repressed horror of our times is that in the end it's other people who determine your identity.
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Replying to @jackfruitstaken
Sure but then if the utility of either accepting or rejecting that identity is equivalent, why prefer going with their flow?
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Oh yeah I don't subscribe to it, that's kinda why I initially asked what you meant by socially conservative. Cause like, Noah Hawley quotes Bible verses but he appears to be the only guy with the stones to take on Google.
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