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    1.  🌇vole, mighty digger 🌆‏ @anti_minotaur 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @Serafiym

      The reality is that liberals have been "against racism" for a long time, have never done anything to make society more equal, and that the formulation of white supremacy is just as useful to them as the old ones. It's a pseudo-radical critique that will lead to more of the same.

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    2. Serafiym‏ @Serafiym 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @anti_minotaur

      I feel like you're beating around the bush. You say "white supremacy aids those things" and then go on to say observing white supremacy is "pseudo-radical critique", so which is it? Does it exist as "objective social reality" or not? Are racial inequalities man-made or genetic?

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    3.  🌇vole, mighty digger 🌆‏ @anti_minotaur 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @Serafiym

      Obviously inequalities are man-made. The point is that there's nothing particular radical about formulating them this way. It's just as useful to the ruling class as it is to the working class.

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    4. Rich Uncle Pennybags‏ @runclepennybags 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @anti_minotaur @Serafiym

      It's pretty clear to anyone paying attention to politics that claims about white supremacy do not necessarily lead to a radical program, but that seems like a different question than how correct they are

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    5. JF‏ @jackfruitstaken 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @runclepennybags @anti_minotaur @Serafiym

      Why would it? That's precisely the basis on which actual socialists press the claim of the working class

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    6. Rich Uncle Pennybags‏ @runclepennybags 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @jackfruitstaken @anti_minotaur @Serafiym

      Sorry, I don't think I really understand what you mean.

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    7. JF‏ @jackfruitstaken 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @runclepennybags @anti_minotaur @Serafiym

      The reason working class politics is desirable, and that Marx dedicated his life promoting them, is precisely the theory that it will be effective against the current state of the world, currently determined by ruling class politics.

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    8. JF‏ @jackfruitstaken 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @jackfruitstaken @runclepennybags and

      If there's no basis to believe that opposition to white supremacy will produce a politics capable of transforming the world, that's actually a pretty good indication that what's currently determining the course of history is not white supremacy.

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    9. Serafiym‏ @Serafiym 16 Sep 2019
      Replying to @jackfruitstaken @runclepennybags @anti_minotaur

      This is 100 percent not a class analysis, because white supremacism is a traditional belief upheld by sections of the American ruling-class. It's like trying to understand politics without knowing what a liberal or a conservative worldview is.

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    10. JF‏ @jackfruitstaken 16 Sep 2019
      Replying to @Serafiym @runclepennybags @anti_minotaur

      I'll do you one better: it's a belief invented by the US ruling class. It specifically arose to justify slavery in the face of democratic reforms of the federal government. It served their interests as the ruling class. It did metastasize, but in Germany, almost a century ago.

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      JF‏ @jackfruitstaken 16 Sep 2019
      Replying to @jackfruitstaken @Serafiym and

      Even then it didn't do away with class society or the wage relation, just attempted to redraw the lines between classes. This attempt failed. There was no empirical basis for it and it requires way more violence than people are comfortable with in light of that

      12:48 PM - 16 Sep 2019
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        1. JF‏ @jackfruitstaken 16 Sep 2019
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          The remaining formal vestiges of white supremacy were done for after the Civil Rights Movement. The ruling class must approach its subjects as workers. If it gives the ruling class an advantage that a particular subject is white, he is. If not, it will not protect him.

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