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Jackfruit from the Internet. "Ein Tier, das nur in der Gesellschaft sich vereinzeln kann." - Marx "Blam[es] on his boots the faults of his feet." - Beckett

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    1. Serafiym‏ @Serafiym 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @anti_minotaur

      🤔So do you think racial inequality is genetic or something, not man-made? Interesting that you're switching back and forth between "discrimination" and "inequality"

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    2. Serafiym‏ @Serafiym 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @Serafiym @anti_minotaur

      What racial inequalities are explainable without the historical projects made at making the races unequal?

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    3.  🌇vole, mighty digger 🌆‏ @anti_minotaur 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @Serafiym

      "Explainable" and "of a common type" are not equivalent. Contemporary Germany is not explainable without understanding the Third Reich, but that does not mean contemporary Germany is a fascist state.

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    4. Serafiym‏ @Serafiym 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @anti_minotaur

      Would you like to give an example of a type of racial discrimination that wasn't aided by the American ruling-class' deliberate manipulation of national identities? You're the one arguing uphill, I'm not. There isn't just Jim Crow, there's eugenics, redlining, etc.

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    5.  🌇vole, mighty digger 🌆‏ @anti_minotaur 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @Serafiym

      I'm not arguing they weren't aided by that. The narrative of pervasive white supremacy manipulating everyone is also aided by the ruling class. If you don't believe me, just tune into the Democratic debates. They never shut up about it,

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    6. Serafiym‏ @Serafiym 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @anti_minotaur

      Yeah sure, they complain about concentration camps but the solution is always to make the guards wear pink. The reality is that popular opinion is turning against the racist status quo, and like social democracy, they're getting on board with it.

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    7.  🌇vole, mighty digger 🌆‏ @anti_minotaur 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @Serafiym

      The reality is that liberals have been "against racism" for a long time, have never done anything to make society more equal, and that the formulation of white supremacy is just as useful to them as the old ones. It's a pseudo-radical critique that will lead to more of the same.

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    8. Serafiym‏ @Serafiym 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @anti_minotaur

      I feel like you're beating around the bush. You say "white supremacy aids those things" and then go on to say observing white supremacy is "pseudo-radical critique", so which is it? Does it exist as "objective social reality" or not? Are racial inequalities man-made or genetic?

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    9.  🌇vole, mighty digger 🌆‏ @anti_minotaur 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @Serafiym

      Obviously inequalities are man-made. The point is that there's nothing particular radical about formulating them this way. It's just as useful to the ruling class as it is to the working class.

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    10. Rich Uncle Pennybags‏ @runclepennybags 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @anti_minotaur @Serafiym

      It's pretty clear to anyone paying attention to politics that claims about white supremacy do not necessarily lead to a radical program, but that seems like a different question than how correct they are

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      JF‏ @jackfruitstaken 15 Sep 2019
      Replying to @runclepennybags @anti_minotaur @Serafiym

      Why would it? That's precisely the basis on which actual socialists press the claim of the working class

      5:38 PM - 15 Sep 2019
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        2. Rich Uncle Pennybags‏ @runclepennybags 15 Sep 2019
          Replying to @jackfruitstaken @anti_minotaur @Serafiym

          Sorry, I don't think I really understand what you mean.

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        3. JF‏ @jackfruitstaken 15 Sep 2019
          Replying to @runclepennybags @anti_minotaur @Serafiym

          The reason working class politics is desirable, and that Marx dedicated his life promoting them, is precisely the theory that it will be effective against the current state of the world, currently determined by ruling class politics.

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