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    jack‏Verified account @jack Aug 10

    jack Retweeted David Kaye

    Agree w all of this. Our early values informed our rules. We likely over-rotated on one value, & then let the rules react to rapidly changing circumstances (some we helped create). We need to root these values in human rights law. A starting consideration: http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html …https://twitter.com/davidakaye/status/1027588269591027712 …

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    David KayeVerified account @davidakaye
    lots of sharp observations/reporting in this @karaswisher piece, but i have a few quick reactions —> Rules Won’t Save Twitter. Values Will. https://nyti.ms/2OSnmpT?smid=nytcore-ios-share …
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    9:58 AM - 10 Aug 2018 from San Francisco, CA
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    646 replies 148 retweets 551 likes
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      2. Loren Gomez‏ @UKinNYC Aug 10
        Replying to @jack

        This doesn’t have to be a meandering, hand-wringing thing. It’s your choice as your company to let or not let hate thrive here and your problem w/that means you are either emotionally out of touch or greedy for profit derived from division.pic.twitter.com/e67hHDplTS

        8 replies 26 retweets 372 likes
      3. Loren Gomez‏ @UKinNYC Aug 10
        Replying to @UKinNYC @jack

        “No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service” is just that. It’s not “Um, uh, listen, we believe feet should be free and some feet may be bare but ok but we’re not so sure and if you want to have a bare torso, like, we don’t know where we stand on it” so it turns into this muddled mess.

        3 replies 5 retweets 43 likes
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      5. Beth  🇺🇸 🌊 #VoteThemOut‏ @BethR_27516 Aug 13
        Replying to @Vampyr_Lee @UKinNYC @jack

        Beth  🇺🇸 🌊 #VoteThemOut Retweeted Brandon Friedman

        I can't wait to hear the response to this...https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/1029112265159729160?s=19 …

        Beth  🇺🇸 🌊 #VoteThemOut added,

        Brandon FriedmanVerified account @BFriedmanDC
        Alex Jones believes the Sandy Hook massacre of 20 children was a hoax. Today he named his allies in media. The last one is Twitter's CEO. @DRUDGE @TuckerCarlson @ASavageNation @IngrahamAngle @jack https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/08/13/alex-jones-names-his-allies-fight-against-globalists-tucker-carlson-laura-ingraham-and-twitter-s/220980 …
        0 replies 2 retweets 4 likes
      6. End of conversation
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      2. Jessa Slade‏ @JessaSlade Aug 10
        Replying to @jack

        Hi, Jack and @TwitterSafety. I think you're making this much harder than it needs to be. Just...do the right thing. You'll mess up sometimes. But that's how you learn: correct course, apologize, move on. Unless...you don't want to do the right thing?

        1 reply 13 retweets 130 likes
      3. i thought he was my uncle.‏ @me_and_Krunchy Aug 10
        Replying to @JessaSlade @jack @TwitterSafety

        They did the “right” thing according to their standards. They don’t care. @jack is a trump loving enabler

        6 replies 4 retweets 36 likes
      4. Jessa Slade‏ @JessaSlade Aug 10
        Replying to @me_and_Krunchy @jack @TwitterSafety

        :( I've curated a lovely list here of smart, funny, passionate people. I wish this platform could be that for everyone. Instead of, ya know, "offensive...and/or bigoted" by design. Sigh.

        0 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
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      2. Mark Morewitz‏ @markmorewitz Aug 10
        Replying to @jack

        Pls review trump’s account. He bullies individuals-including world leaders; companies-sending stocks plummeting; world organizations -NATO, & other countries. You allow him to use Twitter to destabilize the US gov. U can change history by shutting down his account for 1 year.🇺🇸

        23 replies 20 retweets 88 likes
      3. Fabio Costa  ❌‏ @FabioCosta_USA Aug 10
        Replying to @markmorewitz @jack

        The instant Twitter just hints closing the President of The United States account, they're "dead". Do you even realize that? Do you even realize that the POTUS can issue an executive order for national security reason & do anything to Twitter? If Twitter wasn't in the USA, maybe.

        8 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
      4. Fabio Costa  ❌‏ @FabioCosta_USA Aug 10
        Replying to @FabioCosta_USA @markmorewitz @jack

        BTW I forgot to mention that a judge ruled that Trump can't block any American citizen on Twitter. That's a double edged sword. Judge said that since Trump partly discharge it's official duties thorough Twitter it's a "designated public forum". Can you imagine blocking Trump now?

        6 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
      5. Mark Morewitz‏ @markmorewitz Aug 10
        Replying to @FabioCosta_USA @jack

        Twitter can shut down anyone’s account based on its own rules because it’s a private company. The ruling regarding trumps tweets was because as president, he’s using twitter to communicate policy and opinions that impact our govt. His govt position forces him to keep records.

        7 replies 0 retweets 59 likes
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      2. Tom Coates‏Verified account @tomcoates Aug 11
        Replying to @jack

        I genuinely understand the desire to have a structure of a pattern here, but honestly, right now, I think you should have enough of a set of precedents to be able to deal with this stuff. Honestly, it’s just about admitting that you have values, that you’re not totally neutral.

        2 replies 0 retweets 28 likes
      3. Tom Coates‏Verified account @tomcoates Aug 11
        Replying to @tomcoates @jack

        Accepting that it’s not a question of finding the perfect letter of the law, but of understanding how a Twitter views the *spirit* of the law. What it stands for. I’ve been arguing for this forever. You need to have a position. You need to be opinionated.

        1 reply 1 retweet 21 likes
      4. Tom Coates‏Verified account @tomcoates Aug 11
        Replying to @tomcoates @jack

        That doesn’t mean right or left, it means knowing what things you think are good or bad generally and accepting you do have a role in defending it. Condemning racism does not mean you have to ban every racist, but you should *know* that you want less racism on the platform.

        1 reply 0 retweets 18 likes
      5. Tom Coates‏Verified account @tomcoates Aug 11
        Replying to @tomcoates @jack

        You should be able to look at a situation like Alex Jones and know that it is wrong and then interrogate it to work out policy. As it is you wait for outrage and then act. The bit we find mystifying is how you can’t *know* that’s wrong and want to fix it.

        4 replies 7 retweets 44 likes
      6. Tom Coates‏Verified account @tomcoates Aug 11
        Replying to @tomcoates @jack

        I want to say that again and try and be clearer - what we find frustrating is that Twitter does not seem to know what it believes. It cannot look at an anomaly and evaluate it based on deep principle. If it doesn’t break the rules, then you wait for us to yell before you change.

        1 reply 4 retweets 21 likes
      7. Tom Coates‏Verified account @tomcoates Aug 11
        Replying to @tomcoates @jack

        Everything is reactive. There is no statement of intent of belief. There is no sense that the company even really *has* values unless your customers demand them. You’ve made so much progress, come so far, but there’s still this gap at the core.

        1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
      8. Tom Coates‏Verified account @tomcoates Aug 11
        Replying to @tomcoates @jack

        Apple and Google have values. They don’t always conform to them, but we know what they are. Facebook has values. They’re often pretty objectionable, but we know what they are. Twitter has ... reactions and policies.

        1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
      9. Tom Coates‏Verified account @tomcoates Aug 11
        Replying to @tomcoates @jack

        I want to be clear, I don’t and *never* have thought what you guys do is easy, or what you have to deal with is simple. Maximizing individual freedoms while balancing their effects on other people is literally the oldest problem in political philosophy.

        1 reply 1 retweet 17 likes
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