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    1. jack‏Verified account @jack Jul 17

      jack Retweeted Kayvon Beykpour

      Some context on the Twitter blue badge and verification, which needs a complete reboothttps://twitter.com/kayvz/status/1019336825049997312 …

      jack added,

      Kayvon Beykpour @kayvz
      We've heard some questions recently about the status of Verification on Twitter, so wanted to address directly. Updating our verification program isn’t a top priority for us right now (election integrity is). Here’s some history & context, and how we plan to put it on our roadmap
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    2. Scare-icaJoy‏Verified account @EricaJoy Jul 17
      Replying to @jack

      So to be clear, with verification in a known broken state, the team chose to ignore that brokenness to verify a nazi group anyway?

      3 replies 2 retweets 32 likes
      jack‏Verified account @jack Jul 17
      Replying to @EricaJoy

      I believe the account you have in mind was verified before the acknowledgment and pause. Tough state now as any badging or de-badging is conflated with endorsement. We will still enforce violations of our terms however (if that happens).

      3:41 PM - 17 Jul 2018
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        2. justin ferguson‏ @jferg Jul 17
          Replying to @jack @EricaJoy

          If badging/de-badging is conflated with endorsement, then just de-badge everyone and start over with a less-broken system.

          2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
        3. jack‏Verified account @jack Jul 17
          Replying to @jferg @EricaJoy

          I believe that would be even more broken. Despite the issues, the badge does verify that it is who it says it is. The amplification the product gives the badge is the issue.

          2 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
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        2. Scare-icaJoy‏Verified account @EricaJoy Jul 17
          Replying to @jack

          Per the email, it was in a known “not ideal” state before the pause. Does the “not ideal” part mean “we messed up and verified Nazis”? If yes de-badging with a “this was an error and we’ve paused Bluecheck until we can address the circumstances that led to this” would work here.pic.twitter.com/umzB80fBDQ

          2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
        3. Ed Ho‏ @mrdonut Jul 17
          Replying to @EricaJoy @jack

          Not sure if I follow the question correctly so let me know if I misunderstand. There were 2 pauses. First, accounts were verified that shouldn't have been, so we paused accepting verification applications through the public application. Policy+product changes were needed to fix

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Ed Ho‏ @mrdonut Jul 17
          Replying to @mrdonut @EricaJoy @jack

          Now @kayvz's internal email is about the 2nd pause which pauses internal work on that fix. So the mess up where accounts should never have been verified happened before the 1st pause. Now with an internal pause we are in a less bad state, but still a not good state.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Ed Ho‏ @mrdonut Jul 17
          Replying to @mrdonut @EricaJoy and

          I should say "Now with an internal pause on work, we are STILL in a bad state, but it's less bad than before the 1st pause".

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        6. Scare-icaJoy‏Verified account @EricaJoy Jul 17
          Replying to @mrdonut @jack @kayvz

          I remember the first pause, the verification of the Nazi group happened after it. That means they didn’t apply for verification, someone did that proactively, knowing that the program is in a bad state and exactly what verification conveys. *That* is a problem to say the least.

          0 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
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        1. Jordan Scales‏ @jdan Jul 18
          Replying to @jack @EricaJoy

          This seems like a really clear-cut easy state in that Twitter should de-badge white supremacist groups because it doesn’t endorse them. So like literally one 15 minute meeting and someone going into your admin portal and doing it. Thoughts?

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        2. Sarah☭Szalavitz‏ @dearsarah Jul 18
          Replying to @jack @EricaJoy

          Sarah☭Szalavitz Retweeted Sarah☭Szalavitz

          Somehow, abusers & nazis remain—& keep getting—@verified while their victims, who are disproportionately women & PoC, don’t—even when they’re forced to become public figures. If not these women 👇, who gets access to being ‘ad hoc’ @verified, @kayvz?https://twitter.com/dearsarah/status/928696702252433408?s=21 …

          Sarah☭Szalavitz added,

          Sarah☭Szalavitz @dearsarah
          Replying to @dearsarah @jack and 2 others
          So @jack & @twitter offers @verified status to predator @HarveyWeinstein—who has never logged on—but not most of the women who survived his abuse & need support. 😖😡 https://twitter.com/dearsarah/status/928547299294306304 …
          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Sarah☭Szalavitz‏ @dearsarah Jul 18
          Replying to @dearsarah @jack and

          Sarah☭Szalavitz Retweeted Sarah☭Szalavitz

          If Twitter is fast enough to recommend following the accused famous man as an alternative to the victim, seems like it wouldn’t be much of a stretch to also give @verified status to the victims your algorithms have already connected them to?https://twitter.com/dearsarah/status/1016774483279937536?s=21 …

          Sarah☭Szalavitz added,

          Sarah☭Szalavitz @dearsarah
          TW: So, when I tweet about women who speak up, I try to find their twitter handle first, to share any support I can. Though she’s not on twitter & her story was published this morning, guess who is the only account Twitter recommends following instead? 🤬https://twitter.com/dearsarah/status/1016772612305764352?s=21 … pic.twitter.com/1ZXdh0B3It
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        1. Sigh-tama‏ @jewfulnoise Jul 17
          Replying to @jack @EricaJoy

          You shouldn’t have de-badged in the first place, that’s what created the whole perception... because it’s true. You made badges an endorsement when you took it away from Milo and made the rankings show badged users above everyone else. Two missteps.

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        1. Josh Puckett‏ @joshpuckett Jul 17
          Replying to @jack @EricaJoy

          Jack, do you actually realize that you are saying Twitter will only enforce violations FOR NAZI GROUPS *if it happens*? Can you please explain how Nazism is not a violation of this: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/abusive-profile … ?

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