Here's an idea: Women don't owe men shit and if you kill a bunch of people because you weren't getting laid that's completely on you. https://twitter.com/GodDoesnt/status/988798661160206336 …
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I think being aware you're a reproductive dead-end will naturally give rise to some crazies. The question now is how do we go about turning them less looney. I suggest we acknowledge the reality of intrasexual zerosum competition to prevent incels from forming insular communities
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I don't see many sterile people going on murderous rampages. The problem isn't they're not having sex or children, the problem is they blame that on women and think they deserve it. Some self-reflection and respect for women is what incels need
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Right, and they do that by forming insular communities where they confirm each other's motivated reasoning. Hence me saying we should be honest about the nature of their predicament, that women date up and that many men will naturally not be romantically/sexually successful.
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I don't see how that's some unavoidable reality. Most incels would be fine if they didn't ignore most women and if they stopped being bitter toward women or having an unpleasant attitude. Their "condition" is self-inflicted and has nothing to do with women.
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That’s the BS I’m talking about. Any sane person knows low status men aren’t left with much since women date up. Your sort of dishonesty is what makes their communities insular. They can improve but BSing that everyone can be a winner simultaneously isn’t helping.
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The idea of 'dating up' is such a ridiculous portrayal of relationships and interactions. That exact perspective for the situation is the problem, not it's denial.
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It’s simply a fact. Are you denying the fact that women tend to date up more than men? Or you shaming women’s natural impulses?
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The idea of 'dating up' is overly-simplistic at best, and wrong at worst.
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This is even more unhealthy dude. It's like going to the marginalized guy in a group and telling him that his depressing feelings will disappear once he realizes he is not "entitled" to friendship. Lindsay is right, keep gender theory out of this or you'll make the problem worse.
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Incel resentment is a symptom of male entitlement and toxic masculinity. Any solution has to address that. It has nothing to do with sexual competition or biology
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The idea that wanting a partner is "entitlement" is precisely why the feminist approach fails. I might be depressed because I'm failing at my career, doesn't mean I feel "entitled" to succeed. Plus most incels hate themselves first and foremost. Your solution can't address this.
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If you think all incels do is "want a partner" you're delusion. They hate themselves because they think they don't have what they think they should or what they deserve. If they stopped thinking of women and sex as trophies it'd help their self image and mental health.
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Where do you think the meme "tfw no gf" was popularized? It explicitly states that they feel depressed because they are alone. Hateful attitudes are a (toxic) way of coping with the resentment of not being able to get a partner.
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Incels are more than sad about being single, they despise women for putting them in that position. Not having a partner isn't their issue. Any mental health professional they see (& they should see one) would say the same.They need to decouple their worth from sex & relationships
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I agree with that last part. But this has nothing to do with feminism or feelings of entitlement. It is unequivocally a healthy thing to have a partner and/or friends, and you don't need a patriarchal education to realize that. This is where biology comes in.
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