personally i am fascinated when i myself receive "diversity hire"-type comments because in nearly all respects i am a perfectly generic east asian software engineer with a wealthy & highly educated family background and degrees from a "top cs school"
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you could argue that i am underqualified precisely because i have been overresourced my whole life, and that the "boxes" i check are things like "flashy degree" and "brand name". but men with similar backgrounds rarely hear this kind of comment from "anti diversity" types
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the only differentiator is gender. but it's a pretty inane twist of logic to trust the perfectly generic credentials of my male peers and imagine that somehow all of My perfectly generic credentials have been for my entire life the result of "lowering the bar"
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in high school a boy told me i got into MIT because i was a girl. there are many reasons why i think i got in but idk maybe one of them was that i took calculus when i was 13 and he did not
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gender is an interesting piece of diversity bc it's one of the least tied to large socioeconomic forces. race and income are more linked to structural inequities in education and job opportunity but the main thing preventing girls from doing what they want is men being assholes
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which just makes it extra stupid whenever some dude is like "she got hired bc gender". in sv tech, most entry level women have literally the same schooling & experience as entry level men. they're just as interested & qualified but have to deal w so much more bullshit
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and at least in my experience the gender ratio in industry is categorically worse than in school, so it's not like companies have run out of qualified female candidates and are just trying to pump up the numbers
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I agree with everything else in the thread, but I think this is incorrect. The gender ratio is pretty even at Stanford/Harvard/etc, but it's abysmal at state schools, which because of their size are a much larger percentage of tech workers
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So I would guess that the very low percentage of women in tech companies, while maybe partly a result of discrimination in the hiring process, is mostly because there are way fewer women in the software engineering workforce
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few things: 1) i’m mostly talking about big name/unicorn sv tech, which disproportionately draws its workforce from brand name schools and so should at Least match the demographics of brand name schools. berkeley eecs is a state program and has ~25% women by official numbers
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private schools it tends to be higher, stanford’s is around 30% iirc. in industry it’s consistently 10-15% 2) i hope you don’t consider 25-30% “pretty even”
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3) i am not arguing that there’s necessarily active discrimination in hiring—there are lots of reasons for few women—but i’m saying there’s certainly no evidence that underqualified women are being hired for numbers
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