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    Ink & Switch‏ @inkandswitch 21 Nov 2018

    https://www.inkandswitch.com/slow-software.html …

    8:36 AM - 21 Nov 2018
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      2. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 28 Nov 2018
        Replying to @inkandswitch @SwiftOnSecurity

        Some of the numbers sound bogus. How is 2ms drag latency perceived when refresh interval is at best something like 10-16 ms? How is keyboard latency supposedly so awful tolerated?

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      3. Adam Wiggins‏ @hirodusk 30 Nov 2018
        Replying to @RichFelker @inkandswitch @SwiftOnSecurity

        Single-digit ms drag sensitivity was measured by these researchers using a custom-built touch input+display rig: http://www.tactuallabs.com/papers/designingLowLatencyDirectTouchInputUIST12.pdf …pic.twitter.com/xpGitBzTPc

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      4. Rich Felker‏ @RichFelker 30 Nov 2018
        Replying to @hirodusk @inkandswitch @SwiftOnSecurity

        I wonder if it's actually the latency or just the difference in position that's perceptible. The latter could probably be masked by trivial extrapolation & motion blurring.

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      5. Adam Wiggins‏ @hirodusk 30 Nov 2018
        Replying to @RichFelker @inkandswitch @SwiftOnSecurity

        True, human perception is incredibly sensitive about motion specifically. Software extrapolation is done by many stylus systems including iPad, which is fun to watch on high-speed camera especially when you veer away from a straight line!

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      2. Rico Neitzel  👨🏼‍💻‏ @riconeitzel 23 Nov 2018
        Replying to @inkandswitch @dirkdittert

        Iphone 6s vs samsung pencil test? Looks like the video is an ipad pro vs something different🤪

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      3. Robert Voltaire‏ @BraveNewtWorld 28 Nov 2018
        Replying to @riconeitzel @inkandswitch @dirkdittert

        The apps they used w/ Samsung aren't best for low latency. OneNote/Android is a joke. S3 isn't best hardware either. I think some were used for illustration purposes.

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      4. Adam Wiggins‏ @hirodusk 30 Nov 2018
        Replying to @BraveNewtWorld @riconeitzel and

        Would love to hear what you think are the most responsive Android drawing/stylus input apps are

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      5. Robert Voltaire‏ @BraveNewtWorld 30 Nov 2018
        Replying to @hirodusk @riconeitzel and

        Re apps to test. Try the stock Samsung Notes; S-Note which I installed 3rd party; Lecture Notes; INKredible. (I have pro version of latter, not sure it will make a difference). I take extensive notes & screenshots w/ stylus. EMR I like > active stylus.

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      6. Robert Voltaire‏ @BraveNewtWorld 30 Nov 2018
        Replying to @BraveNewtWorld @hirodusk and

        I also have a Note 9 & Samsung Galaxybook. I'd love to see a test on the Note 9. My experience is excellent, while love to see the numbers on that. Forgot to mention Google Keep for app.

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      1. Eric van Ballegoie‏ @ericvanb 26 Nov 2018
        Replying to @inkandswitch

        Very interesting piece! One sidenote: displays don't refresh globally, but in general in from top to bottom (not just old crt's, LCD as well). Best case latencies are therefore much lower, even more so when v-sync is not used.

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      1. Mark McGranaghan‏ @Markmcgranaghan 24 Nov 2018
        Replying to @inkandswitch

        Great article Mark. Very insightful. Mark

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      1. Jernej Simončič‏ @jernej__s 28 Nov 2018
        Replying to @inkandswitch

        I remember when I bought Samsung 244T LCD, and had problems with mouse for a while due to that LCD's display lag.

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      1. Robert Voltaire‏ @BraveNewtWorld 28 Nov 2018
        Replying to @inkandswitch @SwiftOnSecurity

        Cool article. (As read and typed/swyped on my Note 9)

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      1. Keith Collyer‏ @keithacollyer 26 Nov 2018
        Replying to @inkandswitch

        2/ whereas for touch input the only way you know that your action has had a result is when you see something change. Perhaps this is mitigated by haptic feedback from touch screens? It would be interesting to know

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      2. Mateusz Sienkan‏ @s21n 22 Nov 2018
        Replying to @inkandswitch

        You have incorrect og:url tag.

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      3. Adam Wiggins‏ @hirodusk 22 Nov 2018
        Replying to @s21n @inkandswitch

        Fixed, thanks for the report

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      1. TBD‏ @tbdr 21 Nov 2018
        Replying to @inkandswitch

        excellent article. and fast loading as well 😜. loved the article about Dossier. back on reading the rest. pure gold.

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      2. Helena Gordyniec‏ @strangelet_ 21 Nov 2018
        Replying to @inkandswitch

        cc @nikitonsky

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      3. Nikita‏ @nikitonsky 22 Nov 2018
        Replying to @strangelet_ @inkandswitch

        awesome, thanks!

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