a common way to discredit a group of people is by showing examples of bad actors inside of it but there are bad actors in every group, so the things to be proven should be that there are *abnormally many* im curious what the base rate is, so polls below please suggest more
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what % of people in the gen pop are assholes? an asshole is someone who you would rather not work with because they have an aggressive/shitty/cruel personality more extreme examples can get abusive
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what % of people in the gen pop are incompetent? incompetent people are so bad at doing things that their help makes things worse they arent technically bad actors, they can earnestly want to help, but youre still better off without them
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what % of the gen pop are malevolent? malevolent people enjoy destroying things others have made ('others' can be a specific person or outgroup, or it can be other people in full generality), and will gleefully take opportunities to do so
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