babble is when someone learns how symbols are meant to go together, without having the cognition that models the intended (intended by who?) referent
@robinhanson has talked about it being near impossible to get his students to do something besides babble. this is to be expected
theres lots of nonsense out there about gardening might have something to do with feedback cycles
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lol, sounds wack yeah, concrete vs abstract isn't the only divide. you can have concrete with long feedback cycles make it hard to model how actions work. though id only expect to see symbol/ref mixup if people start postulating invisible mech to justify actions
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"grow your tomatoes facing the forest, it pleases the spirits"
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