stray thought: "equality" and "better" in this sense feels like a type error like saying (1,2)=(2,1) or (1,2)>(2,1) it doesnt make sense to have a single fixed hierarchy or to have no hierarchy multiple hierarchies, depending on situation+goals feels more natural to me
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Replying to @imhinesmi @rixxtr
I think this is a different mistake. If someone is pareto dominated by someone else (they are better at everything), they are still equal in a moral worth sense.
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Replying to @DRMacIver @rixxtr
i dont think people have equal moral worth, and i dont think society at large thinks they do either see prisons as an example see gandi for another
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i do think that people have enough different dimensions that there are no cases of pareto domination, and even if there are then comparative advantage exists
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Replying to @imhinesmi @rixxtr
I think it is likely that there is at least one case of pareto dominance, I just don't think that's a problem.
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Replying to @DRMacIver @rixxtr
did some math, it looks like it takes a bit under 60 dimensions to have a 50% chance of at least one pareto dominance there are a LOT more than 60 dims here even if you limit it to actually important skills and collapse location&genetic traits to a small # of dims
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Replying to @imhinesmi @rixxtr
I'm guessing that assumes independence though. Consider for example: 1. Someone who is in a permanent coma vs someone who is not. 2. The second best person and the best person in some hyperspecialised discipline that requires full time dedication.
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Yeah, but I think that's a bit of a different beast. It's not something you're exactly better or worse at so much as a contextual and qualitative thing. (But indeed that is one of the major sources of self worth other than goodness at things)
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no thats definitely one of the things i was talking about with multidimensional worth etc. relationships are totally things that make you more effective in the world
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you can be "better" at something if you have more ability to convince other people to do it strong relationships allow you to (amongst other things) easily convince people to do things likewise, you can be "better" at something if only you have the opportunity to do it
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a little confused what you mean by "inherited worth" could you elaborate?
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