Chapman points about meta-rationality are obviously right and correct and also somehow not taken by Eliezer or his followers. I wonder to what extent that queasiness is sociopolitical in its cause.
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I think it might be a vibe thing. Like, I think EY might be incapable of coming across as anything other than Rat Lord. Cuz when I read more Chapman and when I reread the sequences, I agree with
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"Conan! What are postrats?"https://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/1226519180863606784?s=20 …
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Dead serious Go look at the group photo from LWCW 2019 Count the number of plush toys Yes, plush toys Yes, in the official group photo No, these are adults The significant difference between LW and Chapman is not about empirical beliefs https://www.facebook.com/events/510332516175832/ …
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Replying to @mechanicalmonk1 @natural_hazard and
Yeah, I think it's a vibe or "cognitive style" thing. Rationalists seem characterized in large part by "autistic" style incredible sensitivity to their own imaginations, hence urgency to save the world, obsession with ex risk, and need for careful thinking / safety.
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Replying to @msutherl @mechanicalmonk1 and
Post-rats have a more 'dissociated' vibe in my experience, or otherwise more likely to be further along the spiritual path.
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Why is this dissociated vibe a sign of development? I don't think I'm capable of taking ideas as seriously as Eliezer does, of keeping the same single-minded focus, of changing my life and habits by the force of pure reason. But I consider this a weakness, not a sign of progress.
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For me, I needed to spend some time unhooking myself from single-minded focus and Pure Reason. I was doing a lot of "taking ideas seriously" in a way that had some harmful blindspots. I was also letting myself be run by other people's values
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Replying to @natural_hazard @yashkaf and
...so some of my "disassociated" behavior has sorta been resisting control from outside values, in order to better grow my own. No idea on what EY's internal is like. He has strong Uber Reason Single Mind external-vibe, and lots of different guts could be on the inside.
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> ...so some of my "disassociated" behavior has sorta been resisting control from outside values, in order to better grow my own. OH JESUS WONDER WHY ALL THE RATIONALISTS HAVE ISSUES WITH AKRASIA
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