WOF competes - for data consumers - for data sources - for contributors that is in general is a dismal failure, dosn't make it less an attempt at competing with OSM.
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I don't agree that WOF competes with OSM for any of those things, but even if it does, I don't see how that means Mapzen and Linux Foundation hate OSM's guts... Open data is not a zero sum game.
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> Open data is not a zero sum game. I don't think that makes any sense as a general statement. Outside of the realm of "data that is already there" there are finite resources to curate and produce the data and finite potential consumers. ...
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.. trying to stipulate a right for projects to remain on life support even after they have shown that they do not have a working business model, is the Chapter 11 of open data / OSS and distorts the markets just as bad, to the detriment of those that actually work.
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That's a fundamental thought worth noting. IMHO it's OK if orgs&companies get a (2nd.) chance, but must be transparent and take responsibility when they try new biz models based on
#OpenData commons like#OSM. And@Mapzen &@linuxfoundation & Co. must be stongly reminded to that.2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Narrowing down on OSM: fundamentally we cannot be neutral to use of other sources, open or not, in place of
#openstreetmap data. The project lives by exposing the good and the bad in our data and motivating existing and new contributors to improve and contribute. ...1 reply 1 retweet 1 like -
... And while it might individually feel good to cuddle up to other players, reducing that exposure by voluntarily ceding core market segments to WoF, WD, OA and so on, directly damages
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OpenStreetMap has only gained contributors, data consumers, and data sources. Can you point to any examples of these categories that could have used OSM but didn't because of Mapzen or LF? If anything, the attribution that Mapzen gives to OSM drove people to OSM.
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And I agree that OSM can't be neutral. It needs to do everything it can to gain contributors and consumers, but attacking those that contribute and consume (labeling them as enemies for example) is most definitely not the way to bring more into your camp.
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competitors != enemies, they are simply competitors. Spinning that in to "attacking those that contribute and consume" isn't a mean feat I have to say.
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You're right, you only said Mapzen "hates our guts" and didn't use the word enemies.
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There is no mention of mapzen (or the LF) in that tweet. If you have ever been at a presentation by tomtom you know that I was playing down their attitude towards OSM. ...
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.. that btw doesn't stop them from providing their traffic service to OSM based apps - coexistence as one would expect, but that doesn't mean that they have to like us.
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