What on earth makes you think that Linux Foundation or Mapzen hate OpenStreetMap's guts?
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Replying to @sp8962 @HeatherLeson and
Right, that's a great deflection, but what specific problems do you have? If it's a duck, where are the quacks?
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Replying to @iandees @HeatherLeson and
WOF competes - for data consumers - for data sources - for contributors that is in general is a dismal failure, dosn't make it less an attempt at competing with OSM.
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Replying to @sp8962 @HeatherLeson and
I don't agree that WOF competes with OSM for any of those things, but even if it does, I don't see how that means Mapzen and Linux Foundation hate OSM's guts... Open data is not a zero sum game.
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> Open data is not a zero sum game. I don't think that makes any sense as a general statement. Outside of the realm of "data that is already there" there are finite resources to curate and produce the data and finite potential consumers. ...
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.. trying to stipulate a right for projects to remain on life support even after they have shown that they do not have a working business model, is the Chapter 11 of open data / OSS and distorts the markets just as bad, to the detriment of those that actually work.
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That's a fundamental thought worth noting. IMHO it's OK if orgs&companies get a (2nd.) chance, but must be transparent and take responsibility when they try new biz models based on
#OpenData commons like#OSM. And@Mapzen &@linuxfoundation & Co. must be stongly reminded to that.2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Narrowing down on OSM: fundamentally we cannot be neutral to use of other sources, open or not, in place of
#openstreetmap data. The project lives by exposing the good and the bad in our data and motivating existing and new contributors to improve and contribute. ...1 reply 1 retweet 1 like -
... And while it might individually feel good to cuddle up to other players, reducing that exposure by voluntarily ceding core market segments to WoF, WD, OA and so on, directly damages
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OpenStreetMap has only gained contributors, data consumers, and data sources. Can you point to any examples of these categories that could have used OSM but didn't because of Mapzen or LF? If anything, the attribution that Mapzen gives to OSM drove people to OSM.
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And I agree that OSM can't be neutral. It needs to do everything it can to gain contributors and consumers, but attacking those that contribute and consume (labeling them as enemies for example) is most definitely not the way to bring more into your camp.
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Instead, why not focus on positive things like pulling in more contributors (simpler/focused editors, better space for collaboration, better landing pages for consumers to point to) and making it easier to consume OSM data (simplified dumps in common formats, normalized schema)
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