Family law, etc, will set up different sorts of competition for mates. State also condemns/condones norms through what it permits in the media.
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Replying to @mr_scientism @ArmchairPseph and
Yeah all of that is clear. My query was more about individuals - we read weird old books and obscure blogs and came to our conclusions. We are clearly not 'normies'. So this ability at least should exist independent of state and societal incentives.
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Replying to @i_contemplate_ @ArmchairPseph and
Right. But the state has some control over that, not just in terms of being able to censor, but also because none of us would be doing this if the state wasn't incompetent. Our dissatisfaction reflects the state's incompetence.
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Replying to @mr_scientism @ArmchairPseph and
Does that imply, then, that in a competent state there would be little to no deviation like ours? Intriguing hypothesis. I think Moldbug himself posited that his blog couldn't have come about if the cathedral was doing its job.
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Replying to @i_contemplate_ @ArmchairPseph and
There's different sources of deviation. In a functioning society, anyone could be a source of knowledge (i.e., imagine living on the outskirts of a medieval city and being the first to see and invading army) or could spot an error. A good sovereign would account for that.
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Replying to @mr_scientism @i_contemplate_ and
To the degree that you need something like 'free speech' it's that you can get at knowledge and get errors corrected, although the manner in which it's done is as important (modern journalism isn't the best way to do this).
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Replying to @mr_scientism @i_contemplate_ and
But I don't think you'd have serious ideological deviation like we have in a well-run state. That generally comes from dissatisfaction. It'd be minor stuff that a good government would be want to see: empirical knowledge and error correction.
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Replying to @mr_scientism @ArmchairPseph and
That makes eminent sense. Thank you.
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Replying to @i_contemplate_ @ArmchairPseph and
One way to think about it is incrementally. My current near-total non-participation in politics is mostly due to the liberal democratic regime. But if I was Chinese I'd probably join the Party and try to contribute from within, even though it's far from ideal.
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Replying to @mr_scientism @i_contemplate_ and
And if I lived in a state that was even closer to the ideal, then I'd probably forget about politics altogether!
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Yes, thinking about politics is itself a deviation, an inefficiency, a waste of productive minds (except for a few aristocrats and their advisors). Well said.
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