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    1. scientism‏ @mr_scientism May 18
      Replying to @ArmchairPseph @i_contemplate_ and

      I think his usual formulation (and mine) is "there's no individual prior to society".

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    2. npc_respecter‏ @i_contemplate_ May 18
      Replying to @mr_scientism @ArmchairPseph and

      That's the most accurate framing imho. Trying to reconcile this with my own (and others') experiences as individuals coming to very different conclusions from the modern status-generating milieu. Maybe the former has nothing to say about the latter.

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    3. scientism‏ @mr_scientism May 18
      Replying to @i_contemplate_ @ArmchairPseph and

      Within this context, the state can set-up competitions (intentionally or otherwise). Obviously the market is one. But also secularism and liberal pluralism/neutrality set up competitions among non-profit institutions/creeds.

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    4. scientism‏ @mr_scientism May 18
      Replying to @mr_scientism @i_contemplate_ and

      Family law, etc, will set up different sorts of competition for mates. State also condemns/condones norms through what it permits in the media.

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      npc_respecter‏ @i_contemplate_ May 18
      Replying to @mr_scientism @ArmchairPseph and

      Yeah all of that is clear. My query was more about individuals - we read weird old books and obscure blogs and came to our conclusions. We are clearly not 'normies'. So this ability at least should exist independent of state and societal incentives.

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        2. scientism‏ @mr_scientism May 18
          Replying to @i_contemplate_ @ArmchairPseph and

          Right. But the state has some control over that, not just in terms of being able to censor, but also because none of us would be doing this if the state wasn't incompetent. Our dissatisfaction reflects the state's incompetence.

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        3. npc_respecter‏ @i_contemplate_ May 18
          Replying to @mr_scientism @ArmchairPseph and

          Does that imply, then, that in a competent state there would be little to no deviation like ours? Intriguing hypothesis. I think Moldbug himself posited that his blog couldn't have come about if the cathedral was doing its job.

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        4. scientism‏ @mr_scientism May 18
          Replying to @i_contemplate_ @ArmchairPseph and

          There's different sources of deviation. In a functioning society, anyone could be a source of knowledge (i.e., imagine living on the outskirts of a medieval city and being the first to see and invading army) or could spot an error. A good sovereign would account for that.

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        5. scientism‏ @mr_scientism May 18
          Replying to @mr_scientism @i_contemplate_ and

          To the degree that you need something like 'free speech' it's that you can get at knowledge and get errors corrected, although the manner in which it's done is as important (modern journalism isn't the best way to do this).

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        6. scientism‏ @mr_scientism May 18
          Replying to @mr_scientism @i_contemplate_ and

          But I don't think you'd have serious ideological deviation like we have in a well-run state. That generally comes from dissatisfaction. It'd be minor stuff that a good government would be want to see: empirical knowledge and error correction.

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        7. npc_respecter‏ @i_contemplate_ May 18
          Replying to @mr_scientism @ArmchairPseph and

          That makes eminent sense. Thank you.

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        8. scientism‏ @mr_scientism May 18
          Replying to @i_contemplate_ @ArmchairPseph and

          One way to think about it is incrementally. My current near-total non-participation in politics is mostly due to the liberal democratic regime. But if I was Chinese I'd probably join the Party and try to contribute from within, even though it's far from ideal.

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        9. scientism‏ @mr_scientism May 18
          Replying to @mr_scientism @i_contemplate_ and

          And if I lived in a state that was even closer to the ideal, then I'd probably forget about politics altogether!

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