White feminism, explained

@michaelharriot is a national treasure and my hero.

He's a great writer. He also engages in misogyny and uses the current of sexism to punch down in his writing about white women. I'm sure he knew the day that white women got fed up with his cowardice and bullshit would come.

I'm assuming a black man made you mad by telling you "No" and you are now taking it out on all black men.

@michaelharriot is using HUMOR to try to explain the pain that we as white people perpetuate in POC on a daily basis. He didn’t invent the term Becky. I think you may need to step back and do some reading. I found #WhiteFragility a helpful book.

Ok I agree with her on one thing - this is creepy.

My existence is not a trope. He doesn't have the right to make humor out of my oppression and pain. Make humor out of white men who have infinite power and privileges in this system since they created it and steal from people. Leave victims alone. How complicated is this.

I really am confused. As a WW I find him nothing but humorous. I’m not offended by what he writes. If I recognize myself in something & have an *ouch* moment that’s for me to look at & work to unpack & do better. I feel like your anger is misdirected and your comments are harmful

Ok. Is there any evidence it’s actually happening though? I mean we can clearly see how WW are constantly gonna WW by just looking everywhere, but where’s the evidence?

Well I already gave an example of Michael Harriot at Root. Also look at articles about Becky's. A lot of them are written by black men. Black men have created a strawman out of white women and use us to displace their rage and as a dog whistle. Start lookin, you'll see it.

Ok. I see you on stuff like making fun of basic white girls for liking PSLs, but black men didn’t have to create shit. Look at how we act! WE voted for Trump! And omg if you say something about black people and rage one one more time I’m done. Seriously.

Yes! This is how I feel as well! Of course sometimes I am like ouch. It was more common earlier on for me as I unpacked shit. Natural response is defend your current ideology, dig in, so it’s uncomfortable. But that’s where, like you said, you do the work.

This is totally not how Emily imagined "fed up" and "the day."https://twitter.com/emilyzeek/status/1037035521812267008 …

Emily. Legit question - where is the theory from? I am telling you anecdotally in my life that’s just not fucking true. Some of my best allies have been black men because white men didn’t give a fuck, but men of color get it because they’re marginalized.

I'm not erasing that. This theory is from intersectional feminism. There is sexism in anti-racism movements. Here it is. Black men will be mercenaries in the same way white women will be and sell out women cause they benefit from sexism.

I think it is useful to extract corrupted (by stupid) perspectives like Emily because often we assume she represents people she doesn't, and on twitter it becomes the take away whenever someone says "intersectional feminism" which insults people like you who don't think like her.

This white feminist response is exactly part of the problem: quick to dismiss what Saira is addressing to recenter white women as victims.

White women are victims. They are victims of male domination. To say that women are responsible for toxic males is to ignore the reality of male domination and the control men exert over their families through force, violence and aggression.

Your restating, doubling down on classic white feminism doesn't change anything. Saira & her friends have been targeted by white women who have harassed them, tried to get them fired, threatened their lives, subjected them to abuse. But here your are saying "it's the men."

That is fucked up & not ok. I am excusing that behavior. Certainly white women can have prejudice & act on that. But I think it's like the statement racism=power + prejudice. White women may have prejudice, but the gasoline is white male power. The system runs on that.

Reading your comments you seem to feel you have a real intellectual theory going on there, but don't seem to realize you aren't the first white woman to try "Not me, it's the men!!" That game rolls back into confederacy days. It is easy for most black people to see right through.

I'm waiting for my pain pill to kick in and subdue my headache, so for the moment I'm going to read what you are willing to explain about sexism in the anti-racist movement. Please, continue.

I am saying the sexism in the anti-racism movement is what lies the foundation for displacement and victim blaming. An integral tenent of sexism is denying women's victimhood. It would make sense then that anti-racist movements with sexism would equivocate victim w/ abuser.

So denying women's victimhood makes white women racist? But doesn't racism deny something to black women, and if white women perpetuate that denial, why are they the "women victims" but not black women?

Are you blurring the distinctions between white women and black women when you say "sexism in the anti-racist movement" but fail to allow for there being black women in the anti-racist movement, black women facing sexism, yet only white women need the "men made me do it" excuse?

This tweet is gross and dangerous and shows some of the narrative behind why black men get killed.

Hey. Fellow white person here. Is the red rose for socialism? Unbecoming to show your racism. Black men have a vendetta for white women? Based on what? I am seriously asking. I’ve seen no evidence of this. My anecdotal experience has been black men are great allies to all women.

So black men have a vendetta against white women because sexism benefits them, but again you, as a white woman, have erased black women and their pain, and centered white women as "woman" attacked by sexism by black and white men. That is your racism.

The precision of a surgeon. Boom.

I have a hard time thinking she is sincere about this feeling, not that she doesn't believe it, but that she isn't also conscious it is wrapped in racism, anger, resentment from her. She isn't the victim, she is the aggressor who is taunting BM to be submissive or be punished.

Children aren't safe from the white male police force. Whatever that woman said, men committed the act. They could have chose not to but they were racist - not just prejudice, they had the power to carry out their white supremacy and also wanted to make a statement.

I apologize if that was unclear, I meant police force in a broader sense. The husband chose to kill him and that was his choice alone. It didn't matter what the woman said, he didn't have to lynch someone! He was making a statement about ownership over "his" woman as an abuser.

You claim enough power to discuss the anti-racist movement as about black men turning "women of color" against you, rather than on facing racism they experience. Or is it that you find in a situation discussing racism, not enough black men are convinced to focus on defending you?

The anti-racist movement is not about black men turning "women of color" against WW. It's a by product of a sexist power structure that offers up to black men & black women displacement & victim blaming as a consolation prize instead of upending the white male structure.

So the anti-racist movement is a by-product of a sexist power structure? Then the anti-racist movement is shaped by sexism to deny white women the equal power of white men, and instead is used to weaken white women's fight against white men?

Likewise feminism can be called upon as a mercenary movement to advance white supremacy (historically suffragettes working w/ white supremacist narratives) to get the right to vote. Either movement focusing on only one aspect of the power structure exposes it to mercenary tactics

Have you considered that abject disregard you've shown in explaining to me what the anti-racist movement hasn't done to comfort your complaints about white men?

Both of these movements should serve black women and both fail to because they comfort a mercenary narrative. That white women can have power on the backs of poc and that black men can have power on the backs of women. White male power remains intact.

And any time you write a tweet out and include the words “anti-white” non-ironically take a step back and rethink it. Cause you probably just fucked up

When she said white women were the "dog whistle" for news that focused on the black perspective, and how the anti-racist movement had a "predilection" for blaming white women, she confirmed her issue was about black men, likely a black man, who didn't center her as she wanted.

Nope my issue is with using my identity as a punching bag and displacement when your issue is with the white male power structure and men who created this shit and have the power to stop it but don’t. My issue is with cowardice.

Screeching? Hahahahha, yeah my experience with your ignorance about sexism is tactic. I went all over the internet and made men like you ignorant about sexism so I could show up today and have you say off-base ignorant things about my oppression and gaslight me. Hah! I did it!

Emily you need to step back and listen to the people taking their time to explain why you are wrong. This statement is vile and racist. Racist shit like this has literally cost black men- and black boys (like Emmett Till)- their lives.

You’re really high off that white supremacist bullshit about white women being so pure and innocent huh

This is liberal white feminism in a nutshell. Toxic AF

The people discounting are the ones here discounting the criminal behaviors of men their life long programming campaign against women that order them to be submissive & not challenge their authority. The things that happened were wrong, attributing to accurate causes is important

A recent point in case is the 53% of ww that voted in 45. Voting booths are private. No one forced them to make that decision behind the curtain. This is a real time choice made to maintain the white power structure. I don’t understand what’s so hard about this concept/fact.

Snitches damage. End of story.

Snitches snitch to someone. Take away that someone & dismantle that force. The power to snitch and the institutional and systemic power to kill indiscriminately w/ immunity are not the one in the same. That's my issue with this narrative.

I assume if she's hurting she should rage about the white men hurting her, and completely leave racism, the anti-racist movement, black men and black women out of it. Her destructive temper tantrum is a textbook definition of Carolyn Bryant syndrome.

So many of the examples that are used as material damage at the hands of white women are not even at the hands of white women, they are at the hands of white men, police, husbands, etc. That reality seems unimportant to your analysis. White men's hands do the damage.

No, YOU are twisting history by ignoring the material damage done to Black lives at the hands of white women. If there is antipathy, it's because of a track record. It's not because Black men just are sexist.

Twist the actual history? That's exactly what you all are doing. Twisting the history to paint women as accomplices and sidekicks to men rather than dominated by violence, force and male aggression. It's over the top to see this outrage leveled at victims of the system.

No, I think that's exactly the point. Otherwise you wouldn't twist the ACTUAL HISTORY of how whiteness manifests in women and bourgeois feminists. Your whole posture is so beyond the pale.

If you are reading this statement to be saying "what about me" and "what about my needs" I think that's missing the point. The point is to acknowledge sexism how it operates and the mechanics behind it and not to displace, erase and victim blame. This is important.

This is really what comes down to. It's the eternal white woman song of "What about me???" "What about MY needs???"

While I get where you are coming from, I think this sentiment erases the historical (and current) domination of white women under male power structure and the very real violence that maintains that.

This doesn't acknowledge how white women don't interrupt white supremacy, and instead the power they inherit by being adjacent to white men is used to harm people of color. Important to name this.

WW who don’t know their power, don’t have a voice & don’t care to know what they’re missing. They just sip their wine, shop at lululemon & like positivity memes on Facebook to support their supermom, super proud image.

If they think it's in their interests to be dominated by rapists, misogynists & abusers they are suffering from stockholm syndrome not (only) perpetuating racism as is suggested. They are voting for men's right to power, not their own which needs to be addressed in those terms.

white women have a long sordid history upholding white supremacy at any cost. Look at how many votes for Trump.

Ok but how do you reconcile the fact that they are voting against their own interests as women when voting for Trump. I think the only thing that causes a woman to go against her own interests is force, domination and oppression.

I understand that. It’s a hierarchy. And I no longer weep for my oppressors, including ww. I just wish ww would appreciate their

This got generalized to "women" real quick despite the 53% who actively participate. No problems weaponizing their whiteness by calling the police on Black people minding their own business, I see. Predictably, here y'all come with this narrative that they're all helpless.

So this is where I lose you. Considering women’s submission to forceful male domination & the lack of agency & power accompaning that how can you put the state of affairs on women? The system was created by brutal male force and brutal male force maintains it.

Women were considered property of men. They were (and are) beat into submission to maintain and uphold the white male agenda at high costs. They are psychologically indoctrinated to believe they are submissive to men.

Toxic white men are born and bred by white women. Just saying.