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    1. Luke Dashjr‏ @LukeDashjr 28 Dec 2017
      Replying to @timoncc @brian_trollz and

      Just because you decide to follow an invalid chain doesn't make it any less invalid. It's no different than if you decided to run 2X.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Hugo Nguyen‏ @hugohanoi 28 Dec 2017
      Replying to @LukeDashjr @timoncc and

      You have a very loose definition of “invalid.” Inaction is NOT invalid. Many users/nodes around the world would have faced wipeout risk, just because they were unaware of the UASF chain.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Luke Dashjr‏ @LukeDashjr 28 Dec 2017
      Replying to @hugohanoi @timoncc and

      Inaction is indeed often invalid. Otherwise Bitcoin has no rules at all, since light wallets are in a perpetual state of accepting invalid blocks. Otherwise softforks never succeed, since very rarely do 100% of nodes upgrade before activation.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Hugo Nguyen‏ @hugohanoi 28 Dec 2017
      Replying to @LukeDashjr @timoncc and

      Disagreed. The entire point of soft forks is to have a safe way to upgrade by being *backward compatible*. Backward compatibility implies inaction is a valid state. If you don’t care about backward compatibility, why bother with soft forks?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Luke Dashjr‏ @LukeDashjr 28 Dec 2017
      Replying to @hugohanoi @timoncc and

      Softforks are backward compatible so long as miners are not performing attacks. It's a good attribute to have, but not relevant to the question at hand, where the miners are in fact attacking. During such circumstances, ex-full nodes are simply insecure.

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    6. Jorge Timón‏ @timoncc 28 Dec 2017
      Replying to @LukeDashjr @hugohanoi and

      The majority of users were not enforcing bip148. Had some miners dare to defy bip148's proposal, there would have been 2 used chains. You can't dictate that I'm an "ex-full node" for not enforcing bip148 against my will.

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    7. Luke Dashjr‏ @LukeDashjr 28 Dec 2017
      Replying to @timoncc @hugohanoi and

      That's where you're wrong. A majority of the users supported BIP148, and even if it turned out not all of them were enforcing, a split would have pushed the supporters who didn't enforce to begin doing so.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    8. Hugo Nguyen‏ @hugohanoi 28 Dec 2017
      Replying to @LukeDashjr @timoncc and

      There are 3 types of users: 1) users who actively supported BIP148 2) users who were aware but not supportive-including many pro-Segwit users. some prefered BIP149. 3) users who were completely unaware BIP148 were coercive & hurt groups 2 & 3. There's nothing "soft" about it.

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    9. Hugo Nguyen‏ @hugohanoi 28 Dec 2017
      Replying to @hugohanoi @LukeDashjr and

      You keep saying "a majority of users supported BIP148", but the truth is that there was no reliable way to measure this, beyond the r/bitcoin tiny community and unreliable Twitter polls- which have biased samples given the inherent nature of Twitter.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Shinobi, CEO of Bitcoin‏ @brian_trollz 28 Dec 2017
      Replying to @hugohanoi @LukeDashjr and

      In what way whatsoever is it coercive to demand to be able to use an opt in feature that is opt in for everyone to validate(meaning no default imposed node costs) and even opt in for miners to mine?

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      Hugo Nguyen‏ @hugohanoi 28 Dec 2017
      Replying to @brian_trollz @LukeDashjr and

      quoting Luke-jr's directly "a split would have pushed the supporters who didn't enforce to begin doing so"- That's coercive. Whoever dare staying on the legacy chain would face wipeout risk. THAT's coercive.

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        2. Shinobi, CEO of Bitcoin‏ @brian_trollz 28 Dec 2017
          Replying to @hugohanoi @LukeDashjr and

          Pushed them to do something directly themselves that they already supported? Coercive? 🤨

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Hugo Nguyen‏ @hugohanoi 28 Dec 2017
          Replying to @brian_trollz @LukeDashjr and

          Yes. You can have the same goals (Segwit activation) and at the same time disagree about how to get there. Nothing strange about that.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Hugo Nguyen‏ @hugohanoi 28 Dec 2017
          Replying to @hugohanoi @brian_trollz and

          Analogy: parents and child both want child to succeed. Parents want child to do things their way. Noble goal? Sure. Coercive? Yes.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Shinobi, CEO of Bitcoin‏ @brian_trollz 28 Dec 2017
          Replying to @hugohanoi @LukeDashjr and

          You are already not representing reality by pretending there were not people who supported BIP148 but didn't run a node. I know plenty personally. You then further deviate from reality by pretending I don't have a right to run whatever node software I want.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. Hugo Nguyen‏ @hugohanoi 28 Dec 2017
          Replying to @brian_trollz @LukeDashjr and

          when did I claim that? "I know" is anecdotal. What's "plenty"? "plenty" out of what? No one stops you from running a BIP148 node, but claiming BIP148 was safe / not reckless is ridiculous.

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        7. Shinobi, CEO of Bitcoin‏ @brian_trollz 28 Dec 2017
          Replying to @hugohanoi @LukeDashjr and

          pic.twitter.com/rElMZW5zTP

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        8. Hugo Nguyen‏ @hugohanoi 28 Dec 2017
          Replying to @brian_trollz @LukeDashjr and

          and how is that "not representing reality" exactly? did I claim that there was zero support for BIP148? I'm merely pointing out that there were other voices out there besides the BIP148 group.

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        9. Shinobi, CEO of Bitcoin‏ @brian_trollz 28 Dec 2017
          Replying to @hugohanoi @LukeDashjr and

          You are literally not even reading what I'm typing.

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        1. Luke Dashjr‏ @LukeDashjr 28 Dec 2017
          Replying to @hugohanoi @brian_trollz and

          The split (caused by malicious miners), not BIP148, would have pushed them to enforce. The same is true even without any softfork.

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