The SQLite CoC thing is amazing. 1) https://www.sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html … 2) Explanation from the apparent project lead: http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.html#a104336 … 3) Hacker News thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273530#18276906 … 4) /r/programming thread:https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9qedai/sqlite_adopts_new_code_of_conduct/ …
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Two thoughts: Surprising no one, /r/programming has a better sense of humor than Hacker News. The whole thing seems like A+ trolling, but according to backchannel commentary, the devs are sincerely religious.
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Also, I have no objection to the CoC, because the preface explicitly says: "The entire rule is good and wholesome, and yet we make no enforcement of the more introspective aspects." And...
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...community members "are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that honors the overarching spirit of the rule, even if they disagree with specific details. Polite and professional discussion is always welcomed, from anyone." Not actually exclusionary, so whatever.
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Replying to @sonyaellenmann
seems more like "we're letting you stick around, but we want to make sure to let you know that as non-Christians you're second class contributors" to me
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Replying to @hikikomorphism @sonyaellenmann
it does read that way but I think it was intentional because many prog/woke CoCs read that way as well except for a different religion
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Replying to @danlistensto @sonyaellenmann
sure, but I don't really mind alienating people who think that requiring people to use other's preferred pronouns is equivalent to sharia law. I get that that's how some people feel, but understanding a mindset doesn't mean you need to think it's valid.
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That's a naive interpretation, like saying a Christian CoC only alienates Satanists and New Atheist edgelords. Sure, it alienates them a lot, but also alienates lots of regular people a little. It might be worth the cost, but it is a cost.
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can you elaborate on that? I think there is a nontrivial cost to overreaching CoC statements that, eg, explicitly state that they'll only punish certain kinds of racism, but I'm not sure how this case would qualify.
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People can be wrong about these things, feel more dread and anxiety than what's "appropriate" for the situation. Those people will leave the project or reduce participation to a minimum, and that's bad for the project, even if we can tell that the CoC is no real threat to them.
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that seems to be a fully general argument that could be applied to any moderation or rule enforcement mechanism
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Yes. That's why I say there are costs, but clarify that the costs are sometimes worth it.
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ah, I thought you were making a more specific argument about this specific type of CoC and not a more general/meta level one
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