The SQLite CoC thing is amazing. 1) https://www.sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html … 2) Explanation from the apparent project lead: http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.html#a104336 … 3) Hacker News thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273530#18276906 … 4) /r/programming thread:https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9qedai/sqlite_adopts_new_code_of_conduct/ …
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I think it's what Dan said about finding the whole cluster of attitudes and norms offputting
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It seems like the secular equivalent of freaking out because you see someone wearing a turban and you think that foreshadows the immediate imposition of sharia law. That's valid if there's a bunch of them in pickups w/ AK's (analogy left as exercise for reader), but usually not
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well, no, I don't think that's a fair analogy at all. the fact is we have at least some observed behavior of CoCs being used in a divisive and destructive fashion. it's not a case of mistaken identity to associate those pushing CoCs with those abusing CoCs for political games.
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obviously its not a 1-for-1 relationship. there are those advocating for CoCs who are absolutely not going to abuse them. how small of a disruptive minor faction does it take to ruin things for everyone though? not very many it turns out.
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I'm not at all convinced there's enough to be suspicious of the whole project. Concern about collateral damage, sure. But as far as I can tell it's more of 'useful tool with some isolated cases of abuse' than 'pretext for abuse with the occasional reasonable use'
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I'm a DevOps/SRE. I'm paid to think about systemic failure modes.
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chilling effects are a real thing. the CoC is intended to chill certain types of speech (which is probably a good thing) but it's a blunt instrument and I'm far too Hobbesian in my worldview to trust any organization to be able to utilize this blunt instrument forever.
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the really nasty things about written codes is that they become more and more difficult to dislodge and revise once adopted, even after clear problems emerge. orgs that don't yet have a problem due to their CoC are still operating with a risk codified into their org rules.
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People can be wrong about these things, feel more dread and anxiety than what's "appropriate" for the situation. Those people will leave the project or reduce participation to a minimum, and that's bad for the project, even if we can tell that the CoC is no real threat to them.
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that seems to be a fully general argument that could be applied to any moderation or rule enforcement mechanism
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Yes. That's why I say there are costs, but clarify that the costs are sometimes worth it.
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ah, I thought you were making a more specific argument about this specific type of CoC and not a more general/meta level one
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