The SQLite CoC thing is amazing. 1) https://www.sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html … 2) Explanation from the apparent project lead: http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-CoC-td104277.html#a104336 … 3) Hacker News thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273530#18276906 … 4) /r/programming thread:https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9qedai/sqlite_adopts_new_code_of_conduct/ …
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my problem is this https://twitter.com/sonyaellenmann/status/1043551132612608004 … requiring pronoun respect I think is good, kicking out Larry Garfield for having an unusual relationship otoh
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oh yeah, that's a good example of overreach. If anything, though, it feels like something coming from the other side. Dude was having a non-standard but consensual sexual relationship, some prudes freaked out and banned him despite it not being a CoC-prohibited situation.
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that's something I associate more with the religious right than kink/poly/etc friendly social justice types
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there's lots of SJ-flavored radfems.
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It's basically the same process that jerks libsocs into being MLs and starting to go on a crusade against adults having consensual relationships or making porn or whatever. Tanks are surprisingly stealthy for how big, loud, and obnoxious they are.
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That's a naive interpretation, like saying a Christian CoC only alienates Satanists and New Atheist edgelords. Sure, it alienates them a lot, but also alienates lots of regular people a little. It might be worth the cost, but it is a cost.
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can you elaborate on that? I think there is a nontrivial cost to overreaching CoC statements that, eg, explicitly state that they'll only punish certain kinds of racism, but I'm not sure how this case would qualify.
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I think it's what Dan said about finding the whole cluster of attitudes and norms offputting
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It seems like the secular equivalent of freaking out because you see someone wearing a turban and you think that foreshadows the immediate imposition of sharia law. That's valid if there's a bunch of them in pickups w/ AK's (analogy left as exercise for reader), but usually not
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well, no, I don't think that's a fair analogy at all. the fact is we have at least some observed behavior of CoCs being used in a divisive and destructive fashion. it's not a case of mistaken identity to associate those pushing CoCs with those abusing CoCs for political games.
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obviously its not a 1-for-1 relationship. there are those advocating for CoCs who are absolutely not going to abuse them. how small of a disruptive minor faction does it take to ruin things for everyone though? not very many it turns out.
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I'm not at all convinced there's enough to be suspicious of the whole project. Concern about collateral damage, sure. But as far as I can tell it's more of 'useful tool with some isolated cases of abuse' than 'pretext for abuse with the occasional reasonable use'
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I'm a DevOps/SRE. I'm paid to think about systemic failure modes.
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I can only speak for myself, but I think my sentiment is common enough. I *do* use people's preferred pronouns. When I see very pushy activists entering communities and making a big stink about it though, that sets off my alarms, makes me think the community is now being policed.
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and the thing about policing is, well, it never really stops at the stated limits. once the norms shift towards policing a certain type of person becomes extremely likely to begin accumulating and consolidating power in that community.
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very few CoCs have explicitly objectionable content in them. it's the meta-politics surrounding CoCs that is a huge turn off and a big neon flashing danger sign.
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sure, and I'm not saying there's nothing to worry about in such cases (shitty people do tag along for social capital on occasion), but as someone not particularly affected an alternate hypothesis might be that you're not really noticing the problem because you're not a target
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I'm not really convinced, but perhaps you have a unique perspective on this. Why do you only feel able to share examples privately, out of curiosity?
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