.@JayMan471 Top-down "causation" does not contradict laws of physics - adds another level of explanation in terms of system goals/experience
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@WiringTheBrain As you are wont to say, I don't think there's any evidence for that. :) Top-down view just a useful simplification for us.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@JayMan471 I disagree entirely, but 140 chars not long enough! This is good on subject: http://www.mth.uct.ac.za/~ellis/Top-down%20Ellis.pdf …2 replies 1 retweet 1 like -
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@WiringTheBrain This is@michaelshermer's woo-woo, i.e. complete nonsense. The moon effect on tides as a top-down process? Macroscopic...1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
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@WiringTheBrain@michaelshermer ...effects depends entire on their microscopic constituents. In the case of astronomical objects, it is...1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
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@WiringTheBrain@michaelshermer ...the vector sum of the mass of all atoms, which happens to simplify to neat little equations.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
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@JayMan471@michaelshermer Tides not good example. Phenomenon seen in complex hierarchical systems - does not contradict bottom-up1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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@WiringTheBrain But all those phenomena are just the result of the action of bottom-up rules operating on that scale. Laws on macro...1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
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@WiringTheBrain ...level emerge because these actions often simplify. Just as the case of gravity in space.2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
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@JayMan471 Those higher level principles do NOT emerge from lower level but are indep of it (and apply in abstract across many systems)3 replies 1 retweet 1 like
@WiringTheBrain @JayMan471 independent? entirely? doubt it.
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