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  1. I dunno Anish — I think modern-day doctors can learn a lot from Gerasim. Look, all people die; the lucky ones have VF. Most everyone else could gain huge benefit from the metaphorical lifting of legs/

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    Odgovor korisnicima i sljedećem broju korisnika:

    Particularly likable? No. Particularly ordinary for his class? Yes.

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    Odgovor korisnicima

    I've listened to the novella 3 times. Each time I get something else. It's remarkable.

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    Wrapping up in 4 minutes. Closing thoughts. Mine - the book was as much about the banality of life as denial of death.

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    Closing thoughts? Last minute takeaways?

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    Ivan was obviously vocal about the quality of care. Or lack thereof. It was a simpler, unregulated era. The (poor) outcomes appear to be comparable to modern times.

  7. Ok — I have to go B33. It’s been great We need to do this more often.

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    Odgovor korisniku/ci

    Modern medicine incorporates much more of Ivan and his quest for keeping up w/the Jone's (Russia 1880 version), than with

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    Odgovor korisnicima i sljedećem broju korisnika:

    She had the last laugh. Women usually do.

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    Odgovor korisnicima i sljedećem broju korisnika:

    And back to the question: Who is right? Sartre, that life is for the living. Or Heidegger, that life is simply the journey toward death...

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    Odgovor korisniku/ci

    Still, Russians undervalued him too: Gerasim was a servant or maybe even a serf. Sweet people are not necessarily equivalent to Tolstoy's ideal peasants.

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    Odgovor korisnicima i sljedećem broju korisnika:

    Don't misunderestimate the power of honesty or communication.

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    Those who see a self aggrandizing medical industrial complex will take a very different message from Ivan Illich’s story than those driven to cure those marked for death.

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    Odgovor korisnicima i sljedećem broju korisnika:

    Nonsense. A kidney abscess doesn't cause you to waste away with gnawing pain. It was pancreatic cancer, dammit!

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    Odgovor korisnicima i sljedećem broju korisnika:

    Unambiguously.

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    Odgovor korisniku/ci

    Modern Day Ilyich didn't generate many RVUs for his physician - if he had a kidney cancer (hard to interpret) he certainly would have received a lot more treatment

  17. Q: Would Ivan Illych suffered more today than then?

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    Odgovor korisnicima

    And it may be totally valid. Dying is a sometimes arduous, messy process. You don’t just ‘die’ of cancer.. And many patients don’t want to die

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    My favorite scene is Pyotr Ivanovich battling the broken ottoman at Ivan’s wake, singularly fixated on the rebellious springs. What will the crowd fixate on at my funeral?

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    I think there were two issues : 1. Ivan came to realise that his life had not been led purposefully as he had intended. He focused on all the wrong 'material' things 2. End of life care issues. Contrast of immediate family & friends vs. Gerasim

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