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    1. Hadi Partovi‏Verified account @hadip Mar 28

      Hadi Partovi Retweeted Gary Marcus

      What a stark example of algorithmic bias. Use Google Translate, type “he is beautiful” or “she is an engineer”, translate into a gender-neutral language like Hungarian or Farsi, and then translate back into English. It changes into: “she is beautiful” and “he is an engineer”https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1375110505388417025 …

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      Gary Marcus @GaryMarcus
      wow. and not in a good way. striking example of how gender bias can emerge from blind data dredging. example via Andriy Burkov. pic.twitter.com/cRGBX0oVXv
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      Hadi Partovi‏Verified account @hadip Mar 28

      Note that Google doesn’t deliberately choose this. The algorithm is forced to guess gender, because one language has no gender and the other does, and the guess is made based on all the data Google can find on the internet. Biased data = biased algorithms

      9:12 PM - 28 Mar 2021
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      • Sergei Zhuchkov Erin McConnell Cameron Fadjo, PhD MarjeAksli, PMP, MA Patty Hicks mary bainter bishop Sarah Putterman Joanna Stevens ΛƧP
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        1. Joker‏ @iamfv Mar 28
          Replying to @hadip

          how can we change this biased behaviour generated based on the data accumulated in years?

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        1. Justin Rogers - Quest 2, lighter, better, $299‏ @JustRogDigiTec Mar 28
          Replying to @hadip

          This assumes they can’t return two weighted answers. In this case there is no reason they can’t specify an optional he/she or she/he for the display view. For API level they need to choose but could return two full responses. Poor assumptions on API design continues the bias.

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        1. Michael Brundage‏ @michaelbrundage Mar 28
          Replying to @hadip

          The most effective way to get an algorithm to show its flaws is to give it inputs it can’t handle. Remember when Neil Gaiman searched Amazon for “Girl Scout cookies” (which they don’t sell)? Our industry needs to do better.

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        2. Andrei Liakhovich‏ @anliakho Mar 28
          Replying to @hadip

          And statistically speaking this bias is justified :) the issue is this is not stats class

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        3. Scott Leibrand‏ @scottleibrand Mar 28
          Replying to @anliakho @hadip

          Would a human translate it any differently? Or would they guess similarly? Are there techniques good human translators use that we should teach Google Translate to use? (Like maybe the singular they one I used above?)

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        2. Lydia Musher‏ @LMusher Mar 29
          Replying to @hadip

          Respectfully, I think bias is the wrong word. The algorithm is merely following orders: guess, based on the data you’ve seen previously. Someone didn’t teach it adequately about languages without gender. I feel like it’s slander against algorithms. :)

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        3. Hadi Partovi‏Verified account @hadip Mar 29
          Replying to @LMusher

          The line between algorithm and data is blurry, because modern machine-learning algorithms are often the exact same code just operating on different data. “Algorithmic bias” has become shorthand for “algorithm+training data bias.”

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        1. Jørn Haanæs‏ @JornHaanes Mar 29
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          Jørn Haanæs Retweeted MarjeAksli, PMP, MA

          This surfaces information that’s already there, giving agency to change. Transparency is good and allows us to find better solutions. Also:https://twitter.com/marjeaksli/status/1376266523849940992 …

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          MarjeAksli, PMP, MA @marjeaksli
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          It’s more complicated pic.twitter.com/jwe1Jb42Jr
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